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[–]superiority 3 points4 points ago

Krusty Komedy Klassic.

It's great to be back at the Apollo Theater!

Definitely something brewing between the mods in /r/IAmA... "You wanted a public argument, you got one." by sfnickin SubredditDrama

[–]superiority 0 points1 point ago

Yeah I noticed that a few days ago. I'm not sure why I thought Australia.

Girl help by Gadvakin AskReddit

[–]superiority 0 points1 point ago

Step one is to ignore all advice you get from reddit.

Happy Waitangi Day by superiorityin newzealand

[–]superiority[S] 0 points1 point ago

Following the Declaration of Independence, the flag of the United Tribes was designed by British people to be used as a "New Zealand ensign" which trading ships could fly. It has significance to Māori today because it is viewed as a symbol of the recognition of independence and sovereignty.

Happy Waitangi Day by superiorityin newzealand

[–]superiority[S] 1 point2 points ago

From recent news, I found this article, which says

Rotorua District Council Te Arawa standing committee was split on whether to fly the Tino Rangatiratanga next to the New Zealand flag. The committee decided against flying the flag because some members thought it did not represent the iwi.

This was in spite of a hui that included Te Arawa deciding in favour of flying the flag.

"I would hope that the average Pakeha New Zealander would perhaps throw their hands up with dismay and go `wow, sorry guys, we really messed up with that one. How can we help you out?' and perhaps the Government would be on board." by jackbauer420in newzealand

[–]superiority 0 points1 point ago

:p I did actually know that... but it's more a moral question, and the situation is not actually exactly like the one I describe if I have a monopoly on force.

How mold are you? [Honestly] by danE3030in AskReddit

[–]superiority -1 points0 points ago

Apparently, I, uh, made a mistake with my submission title.

Bullshit you did.

"I would hope that the average Pakeha New Zealander would perhaps throw their hands up with dismay and go `wow, sorry guys, we really messed up with that one. How can we help you out?' and perhaps the Government would be on board." by jackbauer420in newzealand

[–]superiority 3 points4 points ago

Oh, I don't disagree that there are some very murky issues, particularly surrounding inter- and intra-iwi politics. But to say "Māori were unjustly deprived of their land" is far, far more accurate--and a far better starting point for further discussion--than the implication (made here) that they signed away all the rights to their land with the Treaty of Waitangi and therefore that remedies are somehow "undeserved".

"I would hope that the average Pakeha New Zealander would perhaps throw their hands up with dismay and go `wow, sorry guys, we really messed up with that one. How can we help you out?' and perhaps the Government would be on board." by jackbauer420in newzealand

[–]superiority 10 points11 points ago

I'm inclined to agree that "holocaust" is probably not the best term, but my main point was that you were alluding to this:

Based on writing of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, there grew theories that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand - and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. Being based on the work of two widely respected experts, these theories also had the advantage - from a European settler view - of presenting a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples, and therefore justifying racist stereotyping and colonisation by cultural "superiors".[17] These theories were widely published in the early twentieth century,[18] and crucially, this story was promoted in a series of three articles in the School Journal of 1916, and the 1934 A. W. Reed's schoolbook The Coming of the Maori to Ao-tea-roa—and therefore became familiar to generations of schoolchildren. Notably, the concept also undermines notions of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, by portraying them as conquerors.

Which is a myth that has been known to be false since at least the 1920s.

"This is why I hate [local holiday] Waitangi day it's not about new zealand its about making me feel bad about something that happened generations ago... This is my country and my land & why should maori people my own age feel like they deserve more?... We get maori history shoved in our face" [+7] by superiorityin ShitRedditSays

[–]superiority[S] 44 points45 points ago

I suspect most people aren't familiar with the background here, so I'll provide some:

In 1840, the British Crown signed the Treaty of Waitangi with a number of Māori chiefs (Māori being the indigenous people of New Zealand), establishing the land as being under British governorship or sovereignty. The Treaty was necessary because the UK had previously recognised a Declaration of Independence of New Zealand.

There were two versions of the Treaty signed, one in English and one in the Māori language (te reo Māori). It was a hastily assembled document, and the Māori translation did not exactly match the English text. While the English version guaranteed Māori "full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties", the Māori version of the same clause guaranteed them "unqualified sovereignty over all their lands, their villages, and their taonga (usually translated as 'treasures')". In exchange the British government received "Sovereignty" (in the English version) or "kawanatanga" (in the Māori version, transliterated from "governorship", and understood by analogy with the position of the governor of New South Wales, which at this time included New Zealand).

Following the signing of the Treaty, New Zealand became a colony of the UK. Various disputes regarding the sale of Māori land (e.g. settlers being confused about the distinction between permission to settle on land and ownership of that land; tribes selling the land of another tribe they conquered, or their own land that had been seized by another tribe) eventually led to the New Zealand land wars between Māori and the New Zealand government. Following this, the colonial government passed the New Zealand Settlements Act 1863, confiscating a great deal of land from Māori, whether they had participated in the "rebellion" or not. From this point on, the government abandoned any pretence of abiding by the terms of the Treaty. The document was declared by the courts to be "a simply nullity".

The government continued to shit all over Māori for ages and ages. Then in the mid-'70s, the government passed the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975, which established the Waitangi Tribunal, which was empowered to investigate possible breaches of the Treaty and suggest possible remedies. A decade later, the State Owned Enterprises Act 1986 included a section that said "Nothing in this Act shall permit the Crown to act in a manner that is inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi". Since then, the power of the Treaty has grown thanks to government legislation (though it still lacks any independent legal force) and it is now a major part of New Zealand's constitutional structure.

Waitangi Day is a holiday created to commemorate the signing of the Treaty.

Today, various New Zealand-based shitlords like to complain about "special treatment" received by Māori. One particular source of ire is Waitangi Tribunal settlements. Iwi (tribes) are able to take the government to the Tribunal for past breaches of the Treaty, and obtain redress - often in the form of the return of confiscated land.

And for extra fun, when the linked commenter says

I would love to know what made them colonize from Asia into Polynesia and then onward to new zealand..... and then eat the natives

He is referring to a old racist myth concerning pre-European New Zealand. Supposedly, prior to the arrival of the Māori from Polynesia, New Zealand was inhabited by the Moriori, who were wiped out and "eaten" by the Māori. This myth was used to justify the confiscation of land, on the basis that "the Māori just stole it from the Moriori anyway, so it's not really theirs in the first place". This does not even begin to resemble the truth, and has been discredited for decades. In reality, the Moriori are the indigenous people of the Chatham Islands, and are descended from Māori following the settlement of New Zealand. In spite of the fact that it is patently false, shitlords love to repeat it ad nauseum whenever they are discussing Māori or the Treaty.

"I would hope that the average Pakeha New Zealander would perhaps throw their hands up with dismay and go `wow, sorry guys, we really messed up with that one. How can we help you out?' and perhaps the Government would be on board." by jackbauer420in newzealand

[–]superiority 11 points12 points ago

When all the chiefs signed the dotted line?

I think you're confused. The Treaty of Waitangi did not confiscate any land. It guaranteed Māori ownership over their land. The New Zealand Settlements Act 1863 confiscated Māori land, and was not signed by any Māori chiefs.

Would you prefer they had just been all killed like the Maori did to the inhabitants before them?

I think you're confused. The Māori are the original human inhabitants of New Zealand. There were none before them. The notion that a pre-Māori Moriori civilisation existed and was wiped out is a racist myth that was discredited decades ago; its purpose was to justify dispossessing Māori of their lands. Note that you are employing it to justify dispossessing Māori of their lands.

And all this distracts from my original argument:

You still have not addressed mine!

If I steal your house, how long do I have to wait before I get to keep it?

Now that I have cleared up your misconceptions, perhaps you would care to?

"I would hope that the average Pakeha New Zealander would perhaps throw their hands up with dismay and go `wow, sorry guys, we really messed up with that one. How can we help you out?' and perhaps the Government would be on board." by jackbauer420in newzealand

[–]superiority 32 points33 points ago

I would love to know what made them colonize from Asia into Polynesia and then onward to new zealand..... and then eat the natives.

I love the smell of long-discredited racist myths in the morning.

Happy Waitangi Day by superiorityin newzealand

[–]superiority[S] 1 point2 points ago

Wow, this post is more controversial than I thought it would be! It's been hovering around the 0-3 points mark for the last 30 votes!

Happy Waitangi Day by superiorityin newzealand

[–]superiority[S] 0 points1 point ago

That flag (Tino Rangatiratanga) was specifically designed to be a national Maori flag. Most other designs submitted were rejected because they were multi-cultural; it represents Maori interests alone.

Well, yes. There's already a national flag for all of New Zealand, isn't there? Though, really, the body that decided on that was essentially a colonial outpost of the British government.

I know what it's supposed to represent, but long experience has taught me to avoid the people that fly it.

Many of my friends wear this design on their clothing. They're very nice people!

[Request] Can you color this photo of my grandmother and her family? by nate132in picrequests

[–]superiority 11 points12 points ago

I saw it at +41 net.

Can I please be a mod? by superiorityin butthurt

[–]superiority 0 points1 point ago

Says the guy afraid of holes.

Happy Waitangi Day by superiorityin newzealand

[–]superiority[S] 6 points7 points ago

The flag represents, among other things, the Crown's commitment in the Treaty of Waitangi to guaranteeing Maori tino rangatiratanga over their whenua, kainga, and taonga. Waitangi Day commemorates the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, so it seemed appropriate.

SRS meets MLP, r/MLP mod comments by throwweigh1212in SubredditDrama

[–]superiority 7 points8 points ago

Nah, I like 'em both. But MLP is pretty clearly not "aimed at adults" in the same way that a lot of other animation is.

SRS meets MLP, r/MLP mod comments by throwweigh1212in SubredditDrama

[–]superiority 11 points12 points ago

supposed to be similar to stuff like Adventure Time

Ehhhh, not really. You can definitely tell that MLP is aimed at a younger audience than Adventure Time. There are occasional shout-outs to the fandom, though.

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