Is Atheism about hating religion or believing there aren't divine beings responsible for things outside our control?

slimjimbo · 4 months

They think they will achieve it by suffering, let them. Since when has it become your duty to correct the mistakes of others? Who are you to stop people who like BDSM?

slimjimbo · 4 months

if they want to suffer, let them.

slimjimbo · 4 months

The bible is the word of people that believe they write the word of God. What is infallible about history is that it is written by the victors. So it would be more miraculous if the Egyptians did die or was pestered by the plagues. I'm sure there are exaggerations in the bible, but I do not necessarily support or agree with everything in the bible. I choose what I know is relevant to me. Religion shouldn't be about being right or wrong, it should be about being happy. Science is about finding proof.

slimjimbo · 4 months

I don't know anything about professional psychics. I hope you're not mad. I'm offering the idea that science and religion can be compatible and you disagree. You're arguments do not suffice to convince me to agree with abolish religion. You don't have to be mad, I'm sure you've already accepted the fact that religion will never be abolished so it's only logical for religion to be accepted. Religion does not have to interfere with science and vice versa.

slimjimbo · 4 months

You speak emotionally because you say it's not enojoyable but I'm being reasonable. You can point out instances that religious decisions and actions have hurt people and I can point out pseudosciences like eugenics but you have to realize, these are problems within both science and religion. Not problems with the whole entire concept. I understand that both religion and science has had some unsavory history. I am sure some people just need to be more open about their poor decisions. Just as there are some people of faith that continue to believe their deeds are for the greater good while harming the people they try to help, there may be scientists that conduct experiments that are deadly and dangerous to the human race too.

slimjimbo · 4 months

Faith is the belief that doesn't need proof. So you want to force others to trust science blindly without ability and freedom to disagree?

slimjimbo · 4 months

Why is there waste? What are you try to save or conserve? Or why do you find religion restricting or inhibiting? Who are you to decide it is a waste? I find that a bit judgmental. Religion is their choice. I don't know if their decision should affect you. You seem to be angry from your choice of swear words. Believers can leave anytime. It's a religion, its not a cult.

slimjimbo · 4 months

I don't know why my position is so disagreeable. I only want to say that science and religion are compatible. Nobody needs to choose one over the other. If I like pizza, I can also like ice cream. These things and concepts should be compatible and also separate that they do not interfere with the other.

slimjimbo · 4 months

Back to the question, "Why is theism logical?". There are things that are not rational in this world. Making the rational will never be a need. People are irrational and you know it especially when you study economics. While I am glad there are some things that are logical, there also needs to be things that are illogical in order for us to understand and enjoy logic. There are things that you can enjoy illogically.

slimjimbo · 4 months

Religion claims knowledge stems from God. Science can still be conducted knowing the knowledge stems from God. Science can still be conducted knowing that knowledge needs to be discovered for ourselves. Nobody needs to be stupid and religious. People can be reasonable, knowledge, and religious.

slimjimbo · 4 months

But why do you not accept religion along side science? There are things that you do not need to test. Do you need to test how much your parents love you? You just accept it. You can hate religion, but you shouldn't hate it to the point that you have to outlaw it for others. The ability to choose what to believe is important. Why should anybody choose what others can believe? Why do you think faith and science are incongruous ideas?

slimjimbo · 4 months

It's fine, whether or not it offers a reward doesn't matter. The fact that it offers the idea that there will be reward is comforting now. Because what really matters when we're dead? We live our lives thinking there is a reward so we work for it and when we're dead, we're dead and we'll be unable to be disappointed that there isn't a reward.

slimjimbo · 4 months

Well, I know that is terrible. People always need an enemy if they believe themselves to be "chosen". I find it unfortunate too. The Egyptians did not need to die but the fact that they are hindered from pursuit would have been enough but I find it rather cruel that people need to demonize others in order for them to feel justified and correct.

slimjimbo · 4 months

Those instances don't matter. Because to me, if they really happen or not, doesn't matter. I find the importance in what they mean.

slimjimbo · 4 months

then this subreddit would more accurately be called "anti-theism"

slimjimbo · 4 months

"In other words, some of the bible is wrong, good luck guessing which bits because no two groups agree. How about "all the bible is made up mythology and we don't need it at all"."

It is always good to be able to choose what is good and what is bad. Expecting a whole book to contain truths that are all and always relevant to you is just lazy.

slimjimbo · 4 months

you're pretty correct but I'm not trying to give religion credit for inspiring study of the natural world. I want to point out that knowing study of nature came from religion should make people question the origin of both religion and science.

While Christians believe the afterlife, they choose to because they may be unhappy with this life or for whatever reason. Some things do not need to be proved to matter. Like a placebo, if you believe it to work, it functions. But if it functions to help, then the fact that it physically made a change or influenced anything doesn't matter. If we look at the end result, having a Christian afterlife doesn't hurt non-believers, atheists or other theists.

slimjimbo · 4 months

I'm glad I've learned this, but do higher levels of hormones mean more love? Science has not quantified love, so it is not tangible. It is immeasurable or unable to be measured. So if love is chemical, you're saying you can be made to love something rather than choosing to love something?

slimjimbo · 4 months

So you're saying that people cannot have their faiths and be religions? That's a bit controlling, don't you think?

slimjimbo · 4 months

If there is nothing that exists outside the physical, then you cannot believe that any of the people that love you, actually do because you don't know if there exists a thing as love.

slimjimbo · 4 months

The fact that theists are trying to influence the world in social and political ways is something I do not agree with. Science only is concerned with empirical proofs. In religion, believers shouldn't seek that because it doesn't offer comfort. But because they shouldn't seek it, they shouldn't seek to block, hinder, or dictate facts that science attempts to validate.

slimjimbo · 4 months

take the phenomenon that God helped Moses part the Red sea. I know that people may be amazed by that deed of God but the truth is, I don't care what God does. The parting of the sea doesn't mean anything as an act itself. But the fact that God does it shows his love for the Israelites. Now knowing the meaning behind the deed, we can look back at the deed and call it extreme or bogus, but we shouldn't doubt what it means.

slimjimbo · 4 months

religion should not make people do that and if it does, it has become the fault of the person who chooses to ignore truth that is supported by evidence

slimjimbo · 4 months

So use an explanation. Why is theism illogical?

slimjimbo · 4 months

so would atheists be happy if some religious people accepted science?

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