I woke up to this on my bedside table today...

Spacetweed · 1 day

Jason72799 · 20 days

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Timisaghost · 2 months

Not to get into an astrophysics debate, but I thought the evidence for the big bang was pretty solid at this point. Though to me, saying "I think x happened" and "I believe x happened' are more or less equivalent; neither indicates 100% certainty. But regardless, my point is that OP should not base their belief in the big bang, a scientific theory, on what the bible, a non-scientific text, says.

Timisaghost · 2 months

Ugh. Science does not "prove" Genesis any more than it proves all of the ridiculous things that some Muslims claim that the Qur'an says in regard to scientific discoveries. You should believe that the big bang happened because that is what all our research into the origins of the universe points to. Whatever the bible says is irrelevant, it is not a science book.

helreidh · 2 months

As long as they don't fix the grenade bug, so much fun to build up an army of grenadiers and rain hell on the enemy from across the map.

pissysissy · 3 months

A neat metaphor, however it doesn't really fit the context. The next thing Jesus says is what is impossible with men is possible with God. Clearly if a camel can fit through the gate, this is not impossible.

runcibald · 3 months

Ha no I was reading a thread in r/Christianity and it got me thinking about the concept of free will as it would relate to an observer outside the universe. In the thread, someone was claiming that God knows the future, but this is okay because he is outside the universe and free will is not violated by his knowledge of the future. I don't think this is possible, for free will to truly exist the universe would have to contain the outcomes of all possible choices and an observer outside could only see all possible outcomes. Anyway I was really drunk and my mind somehow started to relate this to a superposition; now that I'm sober and the idea seems rather silly :)

runcibald · 3 months

Could tell the difference between what?

I'm not sure if you are following the spirit of the question though. Don't even assume humans if it helps. Just suppose a universe where there are agents/beings/what have you that can make choices and truly have free will.

runcibald · 3 months

Again, I'm not saying quantum, I'm just using the term superposition because its the best way I can think of to describe the situation. This is strictly hypothetical, how would the universe look to an outside observer if free will were true?

cyrus9020 · 3 months

I don't see how the universe being strictly deterministic means that God is strictly deterministic. Aren't we were talking about a God outside of the universe?

runcibald · 3 months

The bonus question really is up in the air, I don't know. The main question is what I'm curious about. A superposition is the best way I can think of to describe the situation.

edit: also this has nothing to do with the multiverse. I'm simply trying to understand the concept of free will as it would appear to an observer outside the universe.

cyrus9020 · 3 months

Maybe I'm just too drunk, but this is really coming clear to me now. If free will is true then from God's view the universe would have to be a superposition. By interacting with the universe in any way, the superposition would collapse. God cannot interact with the universe and maintain free will.

cyrus9020 · 3 months

Thinking about this some more, I still don't see how God would end up with a single timeline in the end. If free will is true, shouldn't he end up with an almost infinite number of possible outcomes, like some sort of ridiculous quantum superposition, when viewed from the outside? I don't see how anything less could be viewed as free will.

cyrus9020 · 3 months

I don't think this definition allows what Christianity requires of free will. It would be ultimately impossible for one to make a different choice than the one made.

cyrus9020 · 3 months

How would you define free will to avoid this problem?

cyrus9020 · 3 months

Idk this just doesn't make much sense to me. Clearly according to the bible, God has directly interacted with the universe in the past. At those points, God would presumably still have knowledge of the future.

My head hurts trying to think about this :p

cyrus9020 · 3 months

If the future is 100% knowable, then there is only one possible timeline, so where does that leave free will?

orionxx · 3 months

ಡ_ಡ

scrotum eyes?

JoeThankYou · 3 months

Welp I'm terrified.

Ebeforei · 3 months

I'm in a similar situation, though I personally enjoy holding hands with my family as they pray. Even though the prayer has no meaning to me, I enjoy a moment of bonding and reflection with my family before eating. However my family has a set prayer that everyone says aloud (except me), and I can see how it would be more uncomfortable if it was a more off the cuff grace from one family member.

Since it sounds like you have a good relationship with your family and they are accepting of your beliefs, they probably would want to avoid actively causing you discomfort. Don't worry too much about rationalizing to them why you feel the way you do, just express your discomfort. But keep in mind that this may not be a battle worth fighting over if your family seems unwilling to leave you out of grace, sometimes the solution is worse than the problem.

Also try to position yourself at the table so it's not too awkward to reach around you :)

SPAC3-MAN-SPlFF · 3 months

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katieimayberry · 4 months

You are clearly engaging in gross hyperbole, is this just rhetoric or are actually offended by my words?

katieimayberry · 4 months

Sure I have the right. And they have the right to ignore me. The point of arguing is that our morals have many common points and I am attempting to argue that within our shared morals they should reconsider something. Law is based off of the concept of shared morals. Now if hypothetically someone had no sense of right and wrong, then I wouldn't bother trying to argue morals with them because it would be meaningless to them.

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