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Megasphaera · 1 day

this is great; thanks for the link!

Iamfriendswithasloth · 3 days

have my upvote to make up for it. Welcome to r/tea!

when/how did you find this vendor/this tea? looks good!

honestchristian · 4 days

It's infinitely unjust by definition

can you explain this a little more? Sin divides humanity from god for eternity, not for just the moment of sin. Your statement is like saying a rope is cut only while the knife is cutting it.

He is ultimately responsible

regardless of the issue of whether God created sin, God is not ultimately responsible for my sin because I chose to sin and separate myself from him.

honestchristian · 4 days

then I wouldn't feel any torment over finding out that God exists.

Obviously this is a worldview issue that's a little hard to argue, but I would say yes, one would feel torment because he would then understand how much of a sinner he is in comparison to God. The knowledge of being separated from that goodness would be torment. Right now, none of us (myself included) fully understand the eternal goodness of God. And I think when we get to heaven/hell/judgment day/whathaveyou, we will understand it. (I hope this doesn't come across offensive..just trying to explain the Christian viewpoint)

And do you really believe that it should be a sin to deny the existence of something?

To deny the existence of God, yes. I'm not really sure whether to say it is worse than something like rape, because its more the basis for something like rape. Not believing in a God means not acknowledging his moral law.

Now, I'm not saying that all atheists are rapists or that atheists can't be good. I just mean that not acknowledging God's law is the basis for sins like rape. It is the one sin unites people in hell, so that is why I see it as the greatest sin. It's not lying or rape that sends you to hell, it's unbelief.

honestchristian · 4 days

sure! thanks for showing some grace here, I've been kind of working it out in my head for awhile. I see torture as pain from a physical standpoint (laceration, burning, broken bones, etc.) A good and a bad person can be tortured with the same amount of pain, and this is where I see a blanket of torture in hell as unjust. As I said before, I also have the connotation (which could come just from living in a fallen world, but it may be correct) that torture can never be just because it is pleasure in causing someone pain. Torture also falls short because you can undergo torture and still feel justified inside.

Torment is a knowledge, an understanding. We all have things we regret doing (hurting people emotionally, or a certain lie, etc.). In Hell, I would see torment that way, but more explicit because it is the knowledge of how God is real and one has denied his forgiveness and existence, the greatest sin.

So, while a rapist and liar will respectively be tormented according to the knowledge of their sin, both will suffer the torment of knowing they have denied God.

honestchristian · 4 days

who said share a prison cell? This isn't earth, it would be a spiritual existence, and the depth of torment relative to the evil that's been done.

even a man who has lived a "good life" will still have committed sins, the greatest of which is denying God. He will exist forever with that knowledge, and although his suffering will not be proportional (in my opinion) to the suffering of a rapist, he would still consider his suffering "Hell" because of the knowledge of what he's done.

honestchristian · 4 days

However, if torment, then it is caused on by our own sins that we have committed and the knowledge of the separation from God and goodness and will be exceptionally just.

to put another way, if I kill a person, it is not only wrong in that instant of taking the person's life, it is always wrong, and I will eternally know that it was wrong. Thus, I have brought on my own eternal suffering.

honestchristian · 4 days

It's something I'm struggling with right now. Because we are in a fallen world, I think certain evil things have to happen (i.e. war, etc.) in order to protect the sanctity of life. However, I struggle to believe it is moral for a God to torture (in my view, different than TORMENT), but I am willing to look at arguments for the other side.

honestchristian · 4 days

I was actually talking to someone about this the other day, and we decided hell was more torment (being mental) than torture (being physical). Physical torture suggests some kind of level of pain or relief, and that doesn't really make sense to me in a spiritual world. If it is a physical lake of fire, it would burn our nerve endings (and I'm sure there are ways to get around this with the physical interpretation, but anyway..).

Mainly, torment makes sense to me because I have the connotation that torture is something evil to do that brings the torturer pleasure, and I have a hard time understanding a just God doing that (mind you, I understand why sinners deserve death and damnation). However, torment makes more sense because it is more equal to the sinner's sin. For example, a child rapist will spend eternity with the knowledge of his sin that has separated him from God, and the knowledge that he did not repent and turn. The man who has lived a "good" life, though still in hell because he didn't accept God, will live eternity with the knowledge of all the "smaller" sins he committed that separated him from God. Who is to say one man's suffering is worse? It is more equal to the sins, and with a just God, this makes the most sense.

I don't really have any scripture to back it up, besides saying that a literal lake of fire doesn't make sense, and torment described as a lake of fire does. Let me know if that doesn't make any sense!

roseforemily · 9 days

any method of tea making would be a hassle

unfortunately true.

that looks amazing, but I'm thinking about going with the one that's around $100 mentioned above. This is definitely on my wishlist though if that breaks though! You were lucky to get it as a gift!

roseforemily · 9 days

I was wondering if something like this existed. how long have you had yours for? any issues?

roseforemily · 9 days

very true. thanks!

Irondog1970 · 10 days

just saw the "preview" for this and love the quote you posted. will be checking it out, thanks!

FerrariLittleman · 11 days

I believe its in a minor. the main riff is just c-d, c-d, e-d, c, a. he sings and plays it at the same time (you probably know this though..)

I don't know if that was helpful at all; did you need something more specific? go for the cover, it'll be great! just improv around and it will probably sound even better. edit: also, a few glissandos starting on the a

keatsandyeats · 16 days

cows make a HUGE difference in the communities worldvision supports. they also help with growing crops and such, but meat and protein are a necessity for people in these countries who are starving

stickfigure68 · 17 days

as a simple explanation, no. there is no evidence of their godhood. by a very great stretch, you might be able to explain away Christ's miracles as illusions, but his fulfillment of prophecy is pretty freaking impossible to explain away.

stickfigure68 · 17 days

it would be like a group of (minimum) 42 bullies calling you a dick and a faggot, walking up to you and about to kill you for fun and so they could take your money.

except it would be even worse because he was a revered prophet. They were, in essence, attacking the holiness of God, which is a very serious crime. It makes sense why you have trouble understanding that part

however, I can not understand why you don't see the halting of a gang attack as a good, just thing. maybe you are having trouble imagining what a gang murder is like?

stickfigure68 · 18 days

others claimed to be prophets; Jesus claimed to be God. No other religion claims such existence/evidence of God.

stickfigure68 · 18 days

I'm sorry, how does being in a time ruled by filial piety imply vagrancy for the younger members of the town?

I'm having a little difficulty understanding why this isn't clear. Piety of children and respect of elders was of the utmost importance at this time and strictly disciplined. A group of, at minimum, 42 kids who were jeering at a grieving elder would have been undisciplined, ousted by society, and would have no source of income. they would be vagrants.

it was not name-calling, it was incredibly dangerous mobbery.

stickfigure68 · 18 days

my fault. I assumed you were arguing that a christian hell would be better than a christian heaven. I can't help you with whether hell in any other religion would be better than heaven! haha

there is no physical evidence of the existence of Ra or the rest. There IS evidence of a christian God in the person of Christ. Christ denounced the other Gods and claimed to be the only God, so it is either the Christian God or no God, logically. if there has to be a god, then it must be the christian God.

I could go into explaining why hinduism and buddhism and other belief systems are incorrect, but it would be more effective to point you to a book if this is a big hindrance to faith for you. I would encourage you to keep looking for answers to your questions and not just disregard it because it is a lot of work. Of course, if you don't want to do that, please PLEASE don't hesitate to keep asking specific questions to /r/christianity or me!

stickfigure68 · 18 days

haha I was so bewildered by this verse before I looked into it.

first of all, these weren't just "some mocking kids". The Hebrew used for the youths, "neurim qetannim" is best rendered “young men.” This term is used in several Old Testament passages. The size of the group and the fact that they were a group of young men in a time that respected elders means they were probably rovers who murdered and stole for a living.

besides this, the verse never says that the bear killed them, or that there were only 42 people. the extent of the mauling is not described and we are not told how many were in the group to start with. once commentator recaps the story this way:

"A broken and mourning Elisha was on his way to Bethel, when a gang of at least 50 young men who were likely members of a gang that made their living from robbing people of their lives and property, in a center of anti Yahweh worship mocked him, and sarcastically referred to Elijah’s ascension and suggested that a prophet of God murdered his master and that his mourning is a sham. In response, Elisha called down divine judgment upon this robbing and murdering gang, and God responded by sending 2 bears to maul some of them."

in a way, you could consider the punishment of these young men as saving other children who may have been hurt by them. but that is not the reason they were punished.

stickfigure68 · 18 days

I'm speaking from a christian worldview, which one must take if arguing based on the presupposition of the existence of a hell. You made a comment with reasons why you would rather go to hell, if a hell existed.

From the christian worldview, science is a good creation of God (i.e. genesis "and he saw that it was good")

From an atheistic perspective, I agree that science is neutral (though I do believe it can be used alongside the bible). however, on the assumption of a hell for your argument, you were arguing from a theistic perspective.

I agree that you can not physically prove the existence of the christian god. However, you can prove the existence of A god. (i.e. moral law, cause of existence, intrinsic value). Once the existence of a God is clear, you can look at the evidence of the life of Christ and cohesiveness of the Christian God and Scriptures and see that the Christian God is the only possibility.

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