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Common Ground Between MRAs and Feminists by topoiin feminisms

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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I agree and upvoated, but fyi: more men complete, but actually, more women than men attempt suicide.

Brioche? Am I doing it right? by isakk21in knitting

[–]MadamePsychosis1 2 points3 points ago

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This was most helpful to me, because it is hard to understand brioche by reading alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIz2qDj9rdE

Ladies, I'm truly concerned with the way 2X is developing.... by [deleted]in TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 3 points4 points ago

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As a scientist, I enjoy playing devil's advocate with data as in "does this data actually show what we're looking for and claim it does." I do not enjoy "hey let's pretend something that's false is true whether I believe in it or not and whether I understand the words that I'm typing or not." I don't really care what you're personal beliefs are, what you said sucks.

Ladies, I'm truly concerned with the way 2X is developing.... by [deleted]in TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 6 points7 points ago*

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You cannot be serious. This is why people hate the evo psych stuff. You actually don't know anything about biology, but you can be damn sure it means that women don't know what they're talking about when they PMS. The research you refer to is research you have never read. You use the word to avoid being called wrong. I study biology and behavior and I am a scientist and you are wrong. I upvoted this because I want people to see that this is what the evo psych debate always boils down to:

"LOL I have no idea what I'm talking about! But I'm right because we evolved to think what I believe and not what you believe and if you don't believe it then you think Darwin was wrong!"

Bill Maher's New Rule for Pro-Lifers by CalmerThanURin TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 3 points4 points ago

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I'm with you, I feel the same way about Christopher Hitchens. I agree with a lot of their views (being a lefty atheist) but I think some of the things that they say representing those beliefs are ridiculous. I'm happy that a visible figure is supporting my cause, but I don't have to throw my support behind the person. Like the internet, sometimes I upvote people who I really don't enjoy talking to because they said something awesome, sometimes I don't upvote something writeen by somebody I normally find to be articulate and entertaining because what they said stinks.

Bill Maher's New Rule for Pro-Lifers by CalmerThanURin TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 10 points11 points ago

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This is a red herring. There might exist women who get abortions instead of using birth control, but the majority of women getting abortions are people who are making the single one-time hardest decision of their lives. Not to mention, the kind of person who repeatedly has abortions instead of using reliable birth control is probably not going to be a great parent or even learn from the experience of a pregnancy giving a child up for adoption.

It is better than outright banning abortions, but it still chips away at our right to be trusted to make a decision for ourselves.

Bill Maher's New Rule for Pro-Lifers by CalmerThanURin TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 7 points8 points ago

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Oh please, not being thrilled about a forced choice lose-lose outcome doesn't mean that she shouldn't do it. She probably also would not be okay with having a baby if she's considering getting an abortion. By your logic, she also shouldn't go through with a pregnancy.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 2 points3 points ago

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I didn't mean to imply that you're an MRA, and I'm sorry if I did that. Derailment might not be the right word that I'm looking for.

I don't have the context that the sign was displayed in, but I can clearly see that it was a sign at some sort of demonstration. Which means it's a super duper simplification of a larger issue. With that in mind, perhaps we are talking about taking the focus off of defensiveness (by which I mean women in the defensive against potential rapists) in order to focus on the perpetrators.

I don't think telling men "don't rape" is as effective as making sure that men know that some of the scenarios in Hollywood teen movies are sometimes rapey (on a continuum of questionable consent), teaching men and women about how female sexual desire can be enthusiastic and clear and that women are free to express this however they see fit without fear of being raped or labeled a slut for giving consent, etc. might lead to more mindfulness on all of our parts. This is a large aspect of prevention that is normally left out of the "how do we lower the incidence of rape" conversation.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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Boiling an entire argument down to being a "cute slogan" is flippant and I will call it that if it's appropriate (which it is). I assume you don't understand how painful it is for you to talk to people like that, because you continue to do it.

I'm very sorry about the women in your life who have been raped. I want very badly to state that they are not who I am talking about. I'm talking about you and your argument, which is not justified by what happened to the people you know. You are being dismissive to people who it is statistically safe to assume have gone through similar experiences as the very people you care about and use as proof of your expertise on feeling about rape.

The logical end of putting the onus on women to prevent rape is that it in turn puts the onus onto the victims who obviously weren't good at preventing their own rape. The truth is that it is impossible for women to prevent rape on their own. If that were true, women in cultures where the punishment for rape is execution would probably work their asses off preventing themselves from getting raped.

If men are unable to understand consent, then they hold within them the potential to accidentally hurt somebody they didn't intend to (you refer to this as "the worst type of criminals" by which I assume you mean violent rapists, which is not the focus of this education). Violent stranger-rape probably won't be helped much even by counseling, unless the counseling has more to do with violence.

But teaching men how to gauge consent and in what situations it can get murky and at what point it gets harmful to continue sexual contact can help keep men who aren't sure from learning after the fact. It's difficult to tell which men have learned what and where. Just like every pack of tampons has the insert with the diagrams of how to insert a tampon even though the majority of people buying tampons already know how. It's a safety precaution, not an accusation that we're doing it wrong.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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I haven't done anything to this conversation. If you assume that I didn't downvote you, I can't understand why you would direct a comment about downvoting to me. I also don't understand how you complaining about other people downvoting you is going to help me in my future conversations. Please don't call me sweetheart.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 1 point2 points ago

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Telling someone "don't rape" might not be effective, but therapy tends to be effective to prevent recidivism. Perhaps we can teach all men the things we teach offenders and that could be effective. By shifting the onus of rape onto the victims, it's problematic and painful. Your flippant dismissal of legitimate concerns is why your posts are so infuriating.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 9 points10 points ago

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This comment doesn't imply that women don't ever defend themselves, it just implies that we should also be working with men.

The anger about putting the onus on women is because of institutions that believe that if a woman was raped while being drunk or dressing in a different way, she is responsible. While your reading of the comments doesn't find that sentiment here, it exists in the larger culture IRL (you know, outside).

SO when a conversation that is meant to turn to the topic to how we teach men, it's a derailment to rehash everything taught to women. That derailing can be insulting when for years as a woman you might have been taught to believe that you are not allowed to say no under certain circumstances in the same language as commentators assertions that women need to be taught to defend themselves.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 1 point2 points ago

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I didn't downvote you. I have no idea who did and quite frankly, if you can't take being downvoted, it must be extremely difficult for you to honestly express your opinion on reddit.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 2 points3 points ago

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Well, the name of the thread and the picture it links to is talking about who we teach what. So the point is "we all know what we teach women, what are we teaching men?" The default approach is not assuming you're teaching nothing to your male children, but what youteach your sons is the relevant information on this thread, so I think it's fair to ask.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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I definitely ask "is this ok, I don't want to pressure you" if something seems off. I've definitely been asked the same. I am from New York!

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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I didn't say anything about their rights, but I would personally never ever have sex with somebody who couldn't explicitly consent. Someone who is unable to give consent when asked, is by definition unable to give consent.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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Well, yes, so then I think we do agree in the first paragraph. I understand that confusing consent can be frustrating, but maybe we can be empathetic to the fact that many women are told that if they want to have sex there is something phisiologically wrong with them because it's not in our nature and not to be mean to you.

And you don't have to ask as the sexytimes ball is already rolling. You can ask long before you're already having sex. I think if you're having sex with somebody who is so repressed that they cannot continue when asked for consent, I think that person might be unable to consent.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 1 point2 points ago

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But what will you teach your son?

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 2 points3 points ago

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That's why men need to be taught how not to rape! This discussion on our end, just seems to focus on how do we teach men to empathize?

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 2 points3 points ago

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Could you please site this claim of "human nature" that we're arguing with?

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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Well, god, nobody's asking you to be a 21st level psion or something, the point is that while some people might say yes and obviously look upset, if it's obvious, then you see it and can act on that understanding, far beyond the "clear no" you demanded in your first comment.

"Not everyone likes to be straightforward & some people have weird emotional baggage that's only brought up through speech. It can kill the mood."

The thing that confuses me about this statement is that if somebody would not have sex with if you stopped to ask "are you sure this is ok, I don't want to pressure you" then I can't imagine wanting to have sex with them unless you were comfortable having sex with somebody who actually isn't ok with it. The mood that would be ruined is a false "mood" in that scenario.

Maybe you mean to be describing something different, I seem to be having trouble understanding what you're trying to say, which I accept the responsibility for and appreciate your willingness to continue this conversation.

As weird as this is, I am trying to understand what you're saying. Sometimes, I think maybe we agree and sometimes, I'm very disturbed by what you're saying depending on how I read it. I wish you would be more clear.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 1 point2 points ago

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This makes a lot of sense. The "I'm not so smart so make sure you don't do anything but give a clear no when you mean no" doesn't make as much sense. And it sounds like the woman who you use as an example of having to deal with women as a male was really really clear with you about when she was giving consent and when she was withdrawing. She may not have communicated why, but she gave a clear no to you. Interpersonal skills and intelligence are not the same thing.

I still don't understand why you can't ask women what's alright with them. That would seem the best way to find out. Even submissives can give consent (I assume that's what you mean by "You also can't expect me to just write ones off that don't behave like you'd like them to, because some of them are absolutely the most fun."and that you are assuming that I have sex some certain way that is not fun... I actually have no idea what you meant by that. What works in such a way that you cannot clearly ask a woman if she wants to have sex before you have sex with her?

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 3 points4 points ago

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Yes, but aside from the ideal 100% rape-free scenario where women are always 100% free to say no clearly (which of course is a logical mistake because rape continues to occur in situations where a clear "no" has been issued). This contributes to why women are not always saying no. Women are not some mysterious entity with curious lady-logic. My rule doesn't apply to every women. You're right. That's why it's important for YOU to take the responsibility to talk to women as much as possible to reasonably learn ways that women consent. It would also be great if you could ask about times when you felt confused and ask women how they might feel in a similar situation, so that you can learn about the unicorn creatures you (I'm assuming here) have sex with. I don't understand how women work is a cop-out. It's possible to learn how to avoid raping/assaulting/violating women in most situations, and when the consequences of not-learning are so high, it seems pretty petty to assume that any word from a woman is arrogant but then tell me what your uniformed ideas are.

I don't think that you appreciate any and all, because you obviously didn't like the data that I provided you. I am a woman telling you how I consent, right here. Data is not just when you hear a scientist processing how female humans feel about things.

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 5 points6 points ago

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You said yourself that you're stupid. Don't believe loud women on the internet, ask women in your life who you're friends with. Seriously, I am not claiming to be the authority here. Just one woman out of many who are probably willing to be extremely helpful in your attempts to learn how not to rape. You are the one who claimed that you weren't smart. I am smart, so maybe I can help you!

Society teaches "Don't Get Raped" rather than "Don't Rape" [pic] by Marowein TwoXChromosomes

[–]MadamePsychosis1 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I guess you're right here. I made a mistake. (not sarcasm)

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