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FCC urged to revoke Fox News' license by sullen_ole_geezerin politics

[–]Lochmon 11 points12 points ago

Hodor

NASA aims for human rendezvous at Mars in 2033: The mission calls for putting humans into Mars orbit to pick up and return to Earth a canister of Mars rocks, which would have been previously collected and put into orbit by mepperin space

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

An internal NASA study group, tasked with replanning the agency’s beleaguered Mars programme, revealed on Tuesday that it was using this working scenario and date as a goal. The group has been tasked with finding ways of getting the human and robotic sides of NASA to work together more....

Tighter integration between human and robotic exploration is a very sensible goal. It is essential for accelerating our progress in space. It's disappointing that such a kludgy idea as this is what they came up with. It's completely backwards.

Taking samples on Mars, launching them to orbit and retrieving them to Earth is all easily handled by robotics. The only sensible part of that for human involvement is in the selection of samples. Trained human judgement and on-the-spot observations would make an appreciable difference in the value of the samples collected. A skilled geologist could spot better targets in minutes than could a robot guided through many hours of lag-time instructions.

We need a few people on the ground, each directing three or five small semi-autonomous robots that are capable of thoroughly exploring small areas, building databases of basic info that geologists can use to select the most promising places to visit personally. Collect maybe ten times as many samples as can be sent home, ship a representative group back during the next Earth transfer window (storing the rest for follow-up investigation should it be desired)... and the people stay, and continue exploring, at least until the next group arrives.

As far as the first manned mission to Mars being an orbit-and-return trip, as was done with Apollo... that's just not going to be politically and economically feasible. It's going to be challenging enough to get Congress to commit the money; they are going to insist on planting flags. It's not even necessary to do so for testing the technology. There are not nearly as many unknowns going to Mars as there were in going to the Moon.

My own personal recommendations:

  • Do the first sample return entirely robotically (preferably much sooner than current plans would make feasible). Launching from the surface of Mars and returning to Earth is the big testing need, and we don't need humans present for that.

  • Build a new space station in Earth orbit to test the long-term effects of 1/3 gravity on the human body. We only need a few modules rotating on long tethers to do this. (Ideally we would also have some people at the right radius to test 1/6 for Luna as well.)

  • Build another new station to be a fuel depot and "workbench" for assembling spacecraft too large to be single-launch lifted from our planet's surface. We could build craft much safer and more accommodating for long-duration manned missions, assemble space stations and labs for other nations (and even corporations) who want their own, put together deep-space robotic probes more advanced than what we currently send out... and handle other useful tasks such as managing reusable tugs for placing/maintaining satellites.

I'm excited at the prospects of meeting the challenges of putting people on Mars, but what I really want to do is focus on building off-planet infrastructure that would make all such challenges less challenging. There are lively arguments over the value of sending up people to do "science in space". Maybe the problem is that we should be putting a lot more emphasis on learning to get good at engineering in space.

Let's be clear: SpaceX is the first private company to INDEPENDENTLY design & self build and launch a man capable, orbital rocket from ground up w/o initial government sponsorship. That's what makes them different. by georeddin space

[–]Lochmon 2 points3 points ago

I don't recall him saying it would never go public. He recently said it wasn't necessary to take SpaceX public, and that if they do it probably would not be until at least late next year.

But yes, much respect for his long-range goals.

(Mostly) Astronaut quotes! by alexscarain spaceflight

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

Gordo! Hate to disturb you, old buddy, but we have a launch to do here.

--NASA CapCom Wally Schirra, waking Gordon Cooper who had fallen asleep on the pad while awaiting launch

Let's be clear: SpaceX is the first private company to INDEPENDENTLY design & self build and launch a man capable, orbital rocket from ground up w/o initial government sponsorship. That's what makes them different. by georeddin space

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

Well said! The contracts with NASA are helping to accelerate what SpaceX is doing, and that's a good thing, but either way Musk intended to revolutionize access to space and it certainly looks like he's succeeding.

It's worth remembering that all he wanted to start with was to buy a rocket others had made; he learned it was prohibitively expensive. So he taught himself to be a rocket engineer, and surrounded himself with very skillful and creative people, and built his own.

He has not yet done what he first intended--put a greenhouse on Mars, beaming back live vid for the world to see--but there's no reason to think he isn't still planning to do so. There is also no reason to think he would stop with that.

Boeing Unveils Air-Launched Space-Access Concept by ttruth1in aerospace

[–]Lochmon 2 points3 points ago

Boeing also plans to begin using ion drives to move satellites from LEO to GEO. It's starting to seem as if we really are at the threshold of a greatly increased level of activities in space.

You stay classy, SpaceX. by Stxmoose32in space

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

If you are investing for the long run. SpaceX intends to keep prices very low (including per-launch profit) in order to encourage a much larger market.

Would you trust a central DNS registry if it was run by the Electronic Frontier Foundation? by basculein darknetplan

[–]Lochmon 5 points6 points ago

I would trust EFF for the first couple years. That's about as long as it would take for targeting and leverage to begin distorting it from current intents and purposes. Any centralized power inevitably becomes a magnet for sociopaths and control freaks.

NEW POLLING: 56% of Americans Want Legal Marijuana by erikNORMLin politics

[–]Lochmon 3 points4 points ago

If the federal government ever were to make marijuana legal, it would be in hope of mellowing out the populance.

How can I work full time on Bitcoin? : Bitcoin by EquanimousMindin evolutionReddit

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

I just subscribed to that sub, which I didn't know about previously. Anyone here know of other good subs related more generally to alternate currencies?

A thought on what it means to have a government. by 1RAOKADAYin Cascadia

[–]Lochmon 2 points3 points ago

...establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...

[ELI5] Why didn't Google just buy the shit out of Facebook at that IPO? by 1r0n1cin explainlikeimfive

[–]Lochmon 29 points30 points ago

Just waiting for Google++...

I had a Skyrim dream last night by trollfatistheshitin skyrim

[–]Lochmon 2 points3 points ago

A couple weeks ago I dreamed I was grocery shopping and found Ancient NordTM Cured Ham.

It was pretty good, maybe a bit dry.

How One Flawed Study Spawned a Decade of Lies by ChadR44in science

[–]Lochmon 0 points1 point ago

I know.

Inevitability in social reform cannot be taken for granted. But in this case there is already very broad social acceptance, and major strides in legal reform, coming from at least half a century of sustained efforts. Even if the would-be theocrats succeed in temporarily reversing some local legal gains, they cannot do anything about the widespread social acceptance... unless we give in to them. Let's not do that.

How One Flawed Study Spawned a Decade of Lies by ChadR44in science

[–]Lochmon 163 points164 points ago

The flawed study suits the purposes of some political and religious agendas, and the apology does not. But the tide is turning on social tolerance anyway; it will all work out.

This technology seems really useful and...well...badass by scottNOTin space

[–]Lochmon 2 points3 points ago

Here's the much larger DC-X "Delta Clipper" doing the same thing back in '95. I was very sad when its funding got cut.

Pajiba breaks down what's left to show in Season 2 (Major ACoK Spoilers) by AntVanRamin gameofthrones

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

Let's not forget a real stand & cheer moment for season two: ACoK

Portland is the least religious city in America: new study by davedarwinin Portland

[–]Lochmon 1 point2 points ago

I've become kind of skittish about speaking on this sub. But I want to be on the record saying this was an important reason for my choosing to move to Portland.

SpaceX Webcast page is up. Webcast starts soon. by peterabbit456in space

[–]Lochmon 0 points1 point ago

They did have a long feed for the engine test a few weeks ago. And you were right in that other comment; it's cool music they're filling time with.

EDIT: I can't wait to hear the soundtrack commissioned for the first manned mission SpaceX launches.

SpaceX Webcast page is up. Webcast starts soon. by peterabbit456in space

[–]Lochmon 0 points1 point ago

Drinking is certainly a sensible thing to do, for those of us not on-duty with this. But I would rather be completely sober and on the front line.

SpaceX Webcast page is up. Webcast starts soon. by peterabbit456in space

[–]Lochmon 16 points17 points ago

I've got both pages open; both show 1:15 Pacific as being start time. Where does the 10:05 come from? If there are some preliminaries being cast I haven't found them yet, but would like to.

Hopefully I'll make it all the way to launch; for me that comes at 4:55 Eastern time. I'm getting old, am three-ish glasses of wine into the evening, and have been working hard all day packing belongings for a move at the end of the month. (Which will take me from Eastern to Pacific time. Hurrah!)

I watched Neil & Buzz live way back when. It's been a long frustrating series of decades, living through the snails' pace of our advancement into space. We should have ten or fifteen major manned stations in orbit by now, bases on both Luna and Mars, and Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous should have an episode featuring Richard Branson's solar-sail yacht.

I don't think it's unreasonable, comparing what SpaceX is doing now to what Apollo 11 did then. Sure, there's a world of difference between putting people on the moon and docking cargo to the ISS. But the Apollo program was a major effort by the most powerful nation in the world. Falcon/Dragon is happening because a young genius decided to become a Heinlein hero, and so started a rocket-ship company. It's sad that most people have not yet realized it but the most interesting story in the world is unfolding right now. And my glass needs a refill.

EDIT: both sites look to be going live at about 4:20 Eastern, 1:20 Pacific.

EDIT 2: I don't know why I ever thought I might not make it all the way to launch time. The closer we get, the more wired I feel. Hooking up with an ad hoc reddit thread community helps a lot.

EDIT 3: this thread is now #5 in /r/space. Anyone want to x-post to other subs, to help gather those sharing an interest? 35 minutes to start of webcast.

EDIT 4: one hour to launch. If I fall silent, it's because I vibrated out of the material plane.

EDIT 5: and here we go, one minute remaining before webcast commences, launch ~35 minutes from now.


EDIT 6: disappointment. Vehicle safed for later attempt.

I often wish I had been born just fifty years later. But that would miss the really challenging phases of our escaping the nest. (It would also make me younger than my own adult children. I wouldn't want to miss having raised them.)

We need longevity. Sixty to eighty to a hundred years is just not near long enough.

Goddamnit, this solar system is ours, and we are going to reach out and take it.

The Case for Mars by Xenophon1in Futurology

[–]Lochmon 0 points1 point ago

Well, yes, we did know there was some water from the Viking experiments. But at that time it was just trace quantities found; proof of large quantities did not come until after the publication of Zubrin's book. My prior comment should have specified easily accessible water.

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