crosspost: Exmormon banned from /r/lds for referring a member to a conference talk.

CafeteriaMormon · 22 days

Sorry, haven't been on for a while.

No, actually I meant the south. As in the south of the U.S. They can be harsh.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

Testifying of Christ to a muslim is not an attack on Islam.

http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news-old/30336-muslim-mob-attacks-christian-missionaries-in-ethiopia-

Some people see it very much that way. As a missionary some of the evangelicals would see us as attacking them. Certainly in the south there is a great hostility.

Perhaps you should take this question to /r/Christianity and /r/islam. Ask them if our missionaries teaching their children to change to our faith is seen as an attack or not. I think the answers might surprise us both.

I know that muslims cannot be taught in some countries for fear they might be killed for changing faiths.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

Um, advertising a product they like, is not the same thing as changing someone's belief.

You know the stories told, right? Like about the pioneers giving up everything. Or the modern pioneers. Like how people are disowned over this.

Religion is not a soda-product and you know it.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

"An aggressive bent"?

You mean like they are organized in what they are doing and don't just whine all the time? Yeah, I see that.

If you mean "Aggresive" as in attacking the church, I think you should consider that the church has a 55,000+ missionary force as well as says that "Every member is a missionary". The church is Aggressive at attacking other people's faiths (Actively trying to change someone's belief is seen as an attack by most people). /r/exmormon is more of a local hang-out to blow off steam and think about life compared to that kind of aggression.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

There... not so hard.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

Does this post contain the requisite level of "Snark" and "attacking a member" to constitute a ban? It seems on par with Mithryn's snark at Keraneurology.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

If Mithryn could defend himself here, I'm sure the conversation would be enlightened. Maybe even an apology for stepping out of line.

Too bad, he isn't able to speak for himself.

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

I think he's not claiming persecution. If you read his thoughts on the matter, he repeatedly says "it's okay if the ban stands, but the community should be aware".

CafeteriaMormon · 1 month

This is my point in posting this. I don't really want to rock the boat... but, I'd like to see things a bit more even-handedly applied.

azureagony · 9 months

I believe Boyd K. Packer might count as one of those: "stuck-up members who think they know best about everyone, and LOVE to tell you what GOD said"

canadianjohnson · 9 months

Our seminary teacher read this whole book to us.

I thought the whole thing was silly, and sickening as a piece of fiction. The part where he throws the money up is the worst bit (is that the same book?)

Here, she is clearly interested in him, and his family, asking all sorts of questions to try to get to know him, and all he is interested in is another convert. Sickens me even more now.

canadianjohnson · 9 months

Awesome. That's what it does to one. Clearly she's "bad" for showing shoulders.

canadianjohnson · 9 months

Nope no the only one

rushaz · 10 months

To the Mayfly, you DO live forever. They only live for 24 hours, and so to them, our lives look like an eternity.

But you don't end your life simply out of boredom (some people do, but most out of other reasons).

I think it will be the same. If our lives stretch on forever, we'll worry less about money and politics and spend a year on a beach, and another year backpacking and another 10,000 years building a spaceship.

Boring, sure, but so is waiting in line at the bank, and from the mayflies perspective, just as bizarre)

curious_mormon · 10 months

Too true.

Australopithecine · 11 months

Here's another "Real test"

Have 100 elders bless a man with an amputated arm that his arm will grow back.

If it doesn't with any of them, you can dismiss Priesthood blessings from making any significant change; as a cold may recover on its own, even cholera... but an amputee would be world-altering. Regrown bone would be a clear indication of divine intervention.

or... maybe God just hates amputees.

Australopithecine · 11 months

That's a really great set of data though. one should be able to really look at it, because the care given is the same for the control and the non-control.

And we know they don't have recovery rates above average or else there would be huge publications on how they were the best hospital.

Australopithecine · 11 months

You sound like me 1 year and 3 months ago. I proposed the same experiment.

Here are your results, saving you hours of work 1) Most TBM's think that priesthood shouldn't be tested, they'll opt out and look at you funny

2) Those that do, if there is no correlation will be determined to be "less faithful by any official statements on the subject

3) Science will be derided as "not knowing everything yet" by the people in group 1 anyway.

Here's a way to get around #2 in any case. Use patriarchal blessings, at least then you can't say "They were unrighteous". See how many of the things mentioned come true, vs. do not come true for the individuals.

Of course that leads to cop-out #4 "Maybe it meant something different to the individual it was given to, we really shouldn't look at blessings from the outside because we don't have all the facts".

These are all things said about when Joseph Smith's predictions did not come true.

rushaz · 11 months

Perhaps, but boredom with existence is still > than boredom without it.

rushaz · 11 months

I'm right there with ya!

rushaz · 11 months

The reverse for me. Finding out that I wouldn't exist forever was terrifying.

curious_mormon · 11 months

On my mission I was sent on a double date.

The mission office sent us a referral to a pair of hot, young, blond girls. They had lived in Utah for a time, and had seen the girls write missionaires. upon returning to their native land, they decided that, they too, wanted to write missionaries.

So they put in a request to have two come by. They would date us for a while, and then send us on our way.

We came in thinking we would teach a whole family. They served dinner. And after the father finished eating, he smiled and left the room. We thought that odd. Then the girls asked if they could put on some music. We declined.

Then the mother left, and turned the lights down low as she went out.

That's when we asked and got the whole story. Upon returning to our apartment, we called the AP's and informed them that we hadn't had a referral, we'd been sent on a blind date.

curious_mormon · 11 months

On my mission, we had a long tired horrible day. The kind that you never want to repeat. The kind, that due to all kinds of mission stories, you expect something "miraculous" to happen by tracting one more door.

My Companion and I were met (about 9 p.m.) by a couple of guys. One says "You're mormons!". "yes we replied"

"Do you know how I can tell?" asks the man wearing dark glasses, "I can feel it. I am blind, I can't see, but I can feel it."

We immediately set up an appointment to meet with them the next day, sure that this is the reward for a tough day. I even wrote home with the story.

Then we arrived at our appointment to find the two men with bad hangovers. They start drinking again immediately. The blind man looks up at us, and says "Oh, it's you", and then put's on his dark glasses and does the "blind routine" again.

He was a beggar, and pretending to be blind got him more money.

I never wrote home the correction to the original story; but now I wonder every time I hear a faith promoting story what the "Rest of the story" was.

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