I has a ban! See the spectacle of the mods of /r/christianity preemptively banning db2! I must be more awesome than previously suspected. ;)

db2 · 1 year

I'm all for not being a dick. The trouble is when someone attempts to claim that merely disagreeing with them constitutes trollish behavior or "stirring up trouble".

Case in point. Moonflower is many things, but she is, to the extent of my experience, polite and on-topic.

db2 · 1 year

Interestingly, I was banned as well, even though I've received no explicit warnings (though I've obviously been at odds with the mods, notably for their practice of ignoring their own rules and harassment of those with different viewpoints).

In any case, your addition to the ban list just adds class to it.

trystan1230 · 1 year

The OP (who is a Christian, BTW) has been responding politely and consistently to the people in both this thread and the one over at /r/religion. Attacking him as you have is completely unwarranted.

Your problem is that you don't read for comprehension (if you had, you might have seen the OP's contributions instead of attacking him), you read to reinforce your narrow beliefs. And the second anyone so much as looks at your beliefs with any sort of intellectual curiosity, you fly off the handle and start screaming about "attacks".

trystan1230 · 1 year

It's funny: in /r/Christianity, the hivemind will upvote any random Bible verse, no matter how disconnected it is with the discussion at hand. But try to get them to actually read the Bible for comprehension, and you'll be downvoted mercilessly.

I've always thought that /r/religion created a nice atmosphere for real discussion about religion that other subreddits lacked. But when /r/atheism becomes a better place for discussing Christianity than /r/christianity itself, you know this place has problems.

m00n3p14 · 1 year

What do you expect from a community which proudly censors non-Christians and then declares that the backlash against censorship justifies the censorship in the first place? You've created a community of homophobes who whine how unfair it is that they're put in the company of unpopular people like Fred Phelps in one breath while condemning homosexuals in the next. You preside over a community which furiously downvotes anything that contradicts their extremist interpretation of Christianity.

The way to get upvotes on /r/Christianity isn't to make thoughtful or insightful posts, it's to spread hate and intolerance. If you want to know why there's a lot of pathetic killjoys buzzing around, it's because you and your fellow moderators encouraged and rewarded them while discriminating against everyone else. So you don't get to whine about the state of affairs here--you worked to create it while sneering at those who tried to warn you against it.

m00n3p14 · 1 year

Nice persecution complex. Someone want to remind me of the difference between /r/Christianity and RaptureReady?

playcrackthesky · 1 year

That's funny, Robstailey wasn't the one insulting others. You were. And you're also the one trying to claim that he's the intolerant one?!

playcrackthesky · 1 year

Your tolerance is astounding.

Disagreeing is now intolerant?

Frankly, I'd have a much higher opinion of religion if people like you didn't scream that they were being persecuted the second their beliefs were questioned.

smacfarl · 1 year

The first thing to note, thirteen hours after posting, is that Christian members of the r/Christianity community on the thread are way outweighed by the atheist participation.

You use this "we're so outnumbered" claim every time you want to justify moderator action, and it is at best a non-sequitur. If you want to have rules to moderate the subreddit, by all means, have rules. But don't pretend that ignoring the rules for offending Christian posts and harassing non-Christians somehow creates a good place for discussion of Christianity.

Atheist participation may have been heavy in the thread you mention, but it was not the anti-Christian hate-fest you want to paint it as.

smacfarl · 1 year

For what it's worth, I think you're one of the better posters in both /r/Christianity and /r/atheism. You tend to be polite and on-topic and even when disagreeing, I think you bring something to the conversation.

BlueHollow · 1 year

My point was that you were debating more than you were discussing

In other words, what belongs on /r/DebateAChristian is arbitrary and subjective and decided only after the fact.

You're not advocating a decent separation of interests, you're trying to justify a rhetorical weapon used to dishonestly ban certain positions and arguments while giving religious extremists license to say whatever stupid bullshit they want (since any dissent is debating and not discussing).

BlueHollow · 1 year

How on earth did you get that from what I said? Of course tolerance applies to religion as well.

Or is this one of those "by not allowing Christians to persecute gays, you're persecuting Christians" kind of things?

RichestManInTown · 1 year

In the finest tradition of tin-pot dictators, it's time to go mad with power.

BlueHollow · 1 year

I don't think you'd be able to find a single relevant difference. Someone who thinks that blackness confers moral and intellectual inferiority may not be a KKK member who hangs blacks every Saturday night, but he's hardly a beacon of tolerance. Likewise, someone who thinks that homosexuality is a sin may not be beating gays tied to a fencepost, but the claim that he's not a bigot is utterly laughable.

Had you made your comment anywhere but /r/Christianity, you would have been called on it immediately, not applauded. It seems that once again, the self-proclaimed tolerant moderates aren't all that different from fundamentalists.

mindless_spots · 1 year

I'm a little tired of people like you claiming that atheists are sub-humans. And I'm a little tired of people like you then turning around and whining that atheists are persecuting you, as if you're somehow the victim.

BlueHollow · 1 year

Too bad you never actually uphold the community policy when a Christian breaks it. For that matter, it's too bad you and outsider continue to harass non-Christians who don't break it.

BlueHollow · 1 year

Really? So if I think that blacks are inferior by virtue of being black, that's perfectly tolerant and progressive?

Gamervail · 1 year

You're right, /r/Christianity is a bigoted circlejerk. Non-Christians need not apply.

hoseking · 1 year

The problem is really simple. Certain people want to be bigots against homosexuals and cry persecution when they're informed that homophobia is still a form of bigotry even if they're basing it on the Bible.

It doesn't matter how gentle you are with that evalation. Then these certain people get pissed and engage in even more bigotry. It's bigots screaming that they're being trolled, bigots screaming that they're the ones being persecuted because someone dared stand up to them.

mindless_spots · 1 year

Wow, nothing like a little unashamed bigotry to show the love of Christ.

BlueHollow · 1 year

Unfortunately for you, I was here a year ago.

/r/Christianity was not run by trolls, it was a place where non-Christians and Christians could discuss Christianity. Your problem was that non-Christians occasionally made a good point and got modded up for making a good point rather than get automatically modded down for the horrible crime of being non-Christian.

Now it's ruled by homophobia and fallacies and anyone who dares contradict the right-wing paranoia and hatred is bullied by the likes of outsider.

You're just another historical revisionist.

gabe2011 · 1 year

From the community policy:

(forbidden) karma begging to mob a thread or commentor

You have been reported. If the mods care about the community policy, you will be banned.

mstrdsastr · 1 year

anything I put in an even mildly religious context is downvoted

That's funny, I've seen plenty of religious posts get modded up, even in /r/atheism. In my experience, religious posts don't get voted down because they're religious, they're voted down when they're dishonest and bigoted and try to hide behind "religion" as an excuse. In other words, post decently and you'll get upvotes regardless of the religious context.

Unless it's /r/Christianity, and then you'll be censored if you take the wrong position.

How can we as Christian redditors promote our way of life without having to endure silly attacks against our faith?

How about you stop re-defining simply disagreeing as "silly attacks"?

BlueHollow · 1 year

This strawman drives me nuts. You keep trying paint anyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do as unfairly attacking you in an effort to justify your censorship, and it's not getting any more truthful.

BlueHollow · 1 year

Debate is not discouraged.

How can you possibly forget your own words in this very thread? From two posts to moonflower above:

From the point of view of a Christian, many of the things you've just said are in direct opposition to the Christian faith.

I believe you're in violation of the policy.

BlueHollow

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