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[–]Ashrik 18 points19 points ago

How do you get/watch Current TV?

[–]JohnAdamZiolkowski 10 points11 points ago

I watch it on their youtube channel

They often have TheYoungTurks as guests.

[–]elshizzo[S] 7 points8 points ago

They often have TheYoungTurks as guests.

Guests? I'm pretty sure they are the hosts

[–]JohnAdamZiolkowski 0 points1 point ago

Oh ... well, maybe? I think they have their own bit, but you're right about them being part of it. The first TYT video I saw was before they were picked up by current, and were talking about Anon exposing big bank emails, and they did so with a positive light! I was incredibly impressed, and have been watching them ever since.

[–]elshizzo[S] 12 points13 points ago

lol, the 7pm slot on Current is called "The Young Turks". trust me, they are the hosts

[–]hippity_dippity123 2 points3 points ago

They have their own 7pm show now. Where have you been? If you watch TYT, you must know they are also on Current.

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[–]themandotcom 3 points4 points ago

that's widely not true. they have sources for most of their claims from my experience.

[–]footoh 2 points3 points ago

They do commentary which some people have trouble distinguishing from news.

[–]themandotcom 2 points3 points ago

TYT has a show on Current for a few months now

[–]hob-goblin 4 points5 points ago

I think it comes in over your power cable.

[–]Blinkinlincoln 3 points4 points ago

http://current.com/

Halfway down the page there's a zip code box, enter and find out where _^

[–]elshizzo[S] 2 points3 points ago

unfortunately it doesn't come with a lot of cable providers [hopefully thatll change soon]

personally, I watch the stream at thertv.eu

[–]p13t3rm 0 points1 point ago

Thanks for the link! Wish they'd fix the aspect ratio on the stream though, oh well.

[–]themandotcom 1 point2 points ago

put in your zip code on the current website to see if you get it.

[–]greeneyedguru 0 points1 point ago

Pretty sure Directv has it. I mean, they definitely did, and I assume they still do but I haven't looked lately.

[–]ucjuicy 0 points1 point ago

Call your cable/satellite provider. I did not realize that Current was already on my local Time Warner for four months before i just clicked through the entire listings and found them.

[–]TomSelleckPI 0 points1 point ago

U-verse.

[–]Drotto 0 points1 point ago

It's channel 358 if you have DirecTV.

[–]TheLoneHoot 0 points1 point ago

Channel 215 on Dish Network.

[–]hippity_dippity123 0 points1 point ago

In the words of Dogan Uygur: "Channel finder, channel finder, channel finder".

[–]JohnAdamZiolkowski 25 points26 points ago

I really like how they don't endorse any specific party. They show what is broken with every group, even though it means they are being yelled at by all sides.

[–]geekguy137 4 points5 points ago

Doesn't all independent media do this?

[–]sanbikinoraion 14 points15 points ago

Shouldn't all media do this?

FTFY

[–]geekguy137 5 points6 points ago

thank you sir.

[–]viborg 0 points1 point ago

And yet they were started by Al Gore.

[–]WildVelociraptor 11 points12 points ago

I don't think CNN really falls into the "progressive" category. They are pretty moderate.

[–]elshizzo[S] 11 points12 points ago

I never said that they did. Although, I know plenty of self described liberals/progressives who watch CNN a lot. CNN is really most guilty of the false equivalency shit, where they have to badmouth the left every time they badmouth the right.

[–]airmandan 9 points10 points ago

I don't think it really matters where on the political spectrum CNN lies, because the more important quality that it has is being absolutely terrible.

[–]WildVelociraptor 3 points4 points ago

I agree, their journalism is total crap. They have lost all respect in my eyes as a news establishment.

[–]thesorrow312 5 points6 points ago

CNN tries so hard to be neutral that they destroy any relevance. They treat the bullshit that Fox News makes up, as legitimate topics of discussion, instead of just coming out and honestly saying how those views are not backed up by evidence and reflected in reality. Anderson Cooper has done this a few times, but mostly, he goes along with it.

[–]themandotcom 4 points5 points ago

They're establishment, and right now, Republican talking points are the establishment.

[–]WildVelociraptor 0 points1 point ago

Not sure I follow.

[–]thesorrow312 7 points8 points ago

Republicans / Fox News create the discourse in this country. CNN spends their time discussing the bullshit that Fox News makes up, as if they were legitimate ideas worth discussing, and MSNBC spends 90% of its time, refuting conservative politicians and Fox News.

Thus the American right literally controls all the discourse in this country. The democratic party and American liberals on TV spend most of their time arguing against the topics, which the republicans choose.

[–]WildVelociraptor 0 points1 point ago

Thus the American right literally controls all the discourse in this country.

TV news coverage != discourse. I know many many people whose political discourse isn't just a regurgitation of CNN talking points. This is a huge exaggeration.

[–]thesorrow312 0 points1 point ago*

Politicians never discuss issues outside of what they allow and make discussed on tv and in their debates /political speeches. It doesn't matter what the people think, if the politicians don't even acknowledge that anyone thinks that way. Remember, we do not have a democracy.

[–]WildVelociraptor -1 points0 points ago

Remember, we do not have a democracy.

And you aren't wearing a tin foil hat.

Of course, technically we have a republic.

[–]thesorrow312 2 points3 points ago

No, I mean, we do not have a democracy. We have an illusion of a democracy.

We have been fooled into thinking that voting every 4 years from 2 people from different parties that have a monopoly on the political system, those two people chosen from a slightly larger group of already pre chosen people; is democracy.

We have no choice or say in what is legislated, we only pick the elites who legislate for us, and we really do not have much control over that, because the people who even get close to a nomination, need to get media attention, which can be completely cut off to people, who the established wealthy interests (who own the media), do not like.

It is a two party totalitarianism.

Managed democracy - " Wolin calls this form of democracy, which is sanitized of the political, managed democracy. Managed democracy is "a political form in which governments are legitimated by elections that they have learned to control".[11] Under managed democracy, the electorate is prevented from having a significant impact on policies adopted by the state through the continuous employment of public relations techniques.[12]

This brings us to one major respect in which Superpower resembles Nazi Germany without an inversion: the essential role that propaganda plays in the system. Whereas the production of propaganda was crudely centralized in Nazi Germany, in Superpower it is left to highly concentrated media corporations, thus maintaining the illusion of a "free press".[13] Dissent is allowed, although the corporate media serves as a filter, allowing most people, with limited time available to keep themselves apprised of current events, only to hear points of view which the corporate media deems to be "serious".[14]

Superpower has two main totalizing dynamics. The first, directed outward, finds its expression in the Global War on Terror and in the Bush Doctrine that Superpower has the right to launch preemptive wars. This amounts to Superpower seeing as illegitimate the attempt by any state to resist its domination.[15] The second dynamic, directed inward, involves the subjection of the mass of the population to economic "rationalization", with continual "downsizing" and "outsourcing" of jobs abroad and dismantling of what remains of the welfare state created by U.S. Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal and Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society.[16] (Thus, neoliberalism is an integral component of inverted totalitarianism.) The state of insecurity in which this places the public serves the useful function of making people feel helpless, thus making it less likely that they will become politically active, and thus helping to maintain the first dynamic.[17] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

[–]hippity_dippity123 -2 points-1 points ago

What republican talking points?

[–]Gamecube64 5 points6 points ago

When I had time Warner I had current now I have optimum and don't have current and miss it. Vanguard is one of the best shows on TV. YSK Al Gore is a founder of the network.

[–]Aerik 7 points8 points ago

Just wish Cenk Uyger could get away from the "gonna pwn you" attitude, and olbermann would use a non-apocalyptic intro.

[–]hippity_dippity123 2 points3 points ago

Its Cenk's shtick. He has fun with it, its all in good fun.

[–]TheLoneHoot 1 point2 points ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Olbermann does come off as over the top and melodramatic sometimes (hell, OFTEN), but I think that's because he is genuinely passionate about issues. When he really gets his dander up and has a "special comment" you get to see where his heart really is. Remember his dedication to the free health care clinics? While other pundits (specifically but not limited to those from Fox) were busy hawking their latest ghost-written books, selling tickets to "events" featuring themselves, and otherwise promoting their personas, Keith was literally raising and donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to save lives. That's not hyperbole - the free health care clinics literally saved several lives (people medically evaluated to be at extreme risk of death if not treated immediately). He had the same passion for the AZ SB1070 issue, AZ's cutting of funds for organ transplant patients, etc.

Yes, he is a total dork when it comes to his sense of humor (he's a big Python fan and makes a lot of references that many probably don't get), and frankly Im not a fan of Fridays with Thurber segments, but he's a real person with a huge heart. I think he just allows his passion to get the better of him in some of his delivery.

[–]Blinkinlincoln 3 points4 points ago

They're always calling Obama out on his bullshit, and they tell it like it is. I've heard they want to add daytime shows too. wouldn't that be fucking great?

[–]evil_bunny 2 points3 points ago

My husband and I love Current and lucky enough that it comes on our cable package.

[–]DarkGamer 2 points3 points ago

I really liked the old incarnation of current where everything was user-generated, even the advertising.

[–]thesorrow312 2 points3 points ago

Do they give any time to socialists, anarchists, and left libertarians? Is there any criticism of capitalism itself. Or is it purely liberal and nothing further left?

Honest questions here.

[–]HypatiaElAmin 0 points1 point ago

I don't watch it very closely but if any channel is going to give time people like us, it'd be Current.

[–]phapha 1 point2 points ago

Nope, from watching TYT, Olbermann, and now the Current videos on YouTube, capitalism itself is never ever questioned. In fact, it's embraced. But each and every excess of capitalism is pointed out and condemned. Inequality is accepted, but current deep inequality is abhorred.

[–]thesorrow312 1 point2 points ago*

The 800 pound elephant in the room is " what causes these inequalities" that many liberals never even ask themselves. It is scary to many, for some reason, to merely ask these intellectual questions about capitalism itself, and have the discussions. It is things like these that leave me disappointed with the likes of keith, the woman in msnbc who's name I forgot, and bill maher. Very intelligent, and I respect them, but it is obvious that they are either afraid or not willing to bring themselves potentially further left.

It is as noam Chomsky said in manufacturing concent, the liberal media is a huge part of our propaganda system because it serves as a filter, dissuading people from going further left from what is " allowed".

I think there aforementioned people need to watch Slavoj Zizek's amazingly succinct lecture " first a tragedy, then a farce" to see perfect examples of just how limited liberal capitalism is. A band aid or the symptoms of capitalisms problems, is the best we ever get, but never attempt to fix the root problems. And as he said beautifully in another interview (paraphrase) "we need to create a new system of society, neither based on market nor state beurocracy."

[–]phapha 0 points1 point ago

the woman in msnbc who's name I forgot

You probably mean Rachel Maddow (picture). Great liberal.

I'll totally check out Zizek, thanks. I think academics like that are much better for intelligent, innovative commentary on issues than prime-time entertainers from MSNBC or HBO, just by their nature.

I personally think social democracy (i.e. capitalism with socioeconomic well-being as a human right) works (as in Northern Europe), and it's practical to use what works. Social democracy will probably run into problems of environment and sustainability in the future as fuel prices rise, which is a real challenge because capitalism needs to grow or die; it's very bad at navigating recessions. But it's also possible that with innovation and good leadership it can weather those storms.

However, it is a real problem that discussion is limited, and it'd be wonderful if ideas for different economics could be floated more broadly. The great danger in America is free-market fundamentalism, which has neither a good working record, nor proper theoretical foundations, and it's only reinforced by the taboo on questioning capitalism, because it's successfully equated with capitalism.

[–]thesorrow312 1 point2 points ago

This is the Zizek lecture I was talking about, it is a criticism of Liberal capitalism, Social democracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvakA-DF6Hc

here is an RSA animate, shortened version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

And here is an excellent lecture of his "What it means to be a revolutionary today" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GD69Cc20rw

He is one of my favorite political philosophers. Very complex ideas. The difference between him, and the talking heads, even the liberal ones, in the USA, are immense.

[–]revengetube 0 points1 point ago

Yes, Buddy Roemer was just on Granholm's show. They have talked with Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party.

[–]Saveyoself 2 points3 points ago

Anyway I can get full episodes online? I remember trying to get Countdown as an audio/video podcast but could only find small clips.

[–]elshizzo[S] 3 points4 points ago

I don't know of any, I just watch the stream, at thertv.eu

[–]hippity_dippity123 0 points1 point ago

You really shouldn't hand out this link. We need people to watch it on cable if they can, we want their ratings to go up, not down. PM it to people who don't have it, but spamming it all over this thread is a great way to give lazy internet people an excuse not to turn their TV on.

[–]the_robo_boogie 3 points4 points ago

Right. The thing I like about MSNBC is that they make the whole show available in a video podcast (as was Olbermann's old Countdown show).

For a network that isn't widely available (as well as Al Gore's position on the board at Apple) you would figure this would be something they would consider.

[–]Saveyoself 2 points3 points ago

I would consider it a progressive thing to do.

[–]KalenXI 1 point2 points ago

They used to have full episodes of most of their stuff on both their own site and Hulu but once they shifted to a less viewer-centric model they stopped putting out much of that stuff.

Current as it is now is ok, but I wish they had stuck to their original premise of viewer-created content. You used to be able to submit your own commercials, documentaries, and news reports to them and have them aired on the channel.

[–]hippity_dippity123 0 points1 point ago

They don't do this officially, and I don't know of any unofficial ones. The only way to see their stuff is TV (they do upload most of the Vanguard eps to youtube.

[–]plasticTron 2 points3 points ago

yeah, its pretty good. I hadn't heard of it before a few weeks ago til I saw countdown while channel surfing. that is/was my favorite news show. also As a michigander its cool to see granholm, i guess. now if we could just get al jazeera over here

[–]elshizzo[S] 2 points3 points ago

Al Jazeera is good and all, but its a little too focused on world issues for my tastes.

[–]thesorrow312 7 points8 points ago

We shouldn't be isolationists, we need to care about everyone in the rest of the world, comrade.

[–]plasticTron 4 points5 points ago

true, but when they do cover the US, i prefer their analysis to most other news outlets.

[–]hippity_dippity123 0 points1 point ago

AJ is great on the issues their state wants them to be. They are owned by the state broadcaster, they aren't independent.

They were great on the Arab Spring, but how many times did they mention the short lived uprising in Qatar (where it is based)?

[–]Jay-Dee 0 points1 point ago

Free Speech TV has a few Al Jazeera programs.

[–]jesus4governor 0 points1 point ago

Here is a free live stream of Al Jazeera. Enjoy.

[–]Daman09 2 points3 points ago

If only it were in HD.

[–]BrandoMcGregor 2 points3 points ago*

There's no Democratic party cheerleading on Current TV? It's owned by Al Gore.

You can watch both MSNBC and Current without badmouthing MSNBC. Maddow and O'Donnell and Chris Hayes are amazing. Ed Schultz is a little too much of a left wing version of a right wing talking head but I like how he covers labor issues. I also find Rev Al Sharpton to be hilarious, and fun to watch and he does well bringing up issues of race and minority issues which is a bit lacking on Current.

Jennifer Granholm is a Democrat and a politician. I have not seen Cenks show so I can't comment on her/him but will record her. I just recorded the War Room today and have yet to watch it. I'm interested though. I'm also disappointed that Keith seems to be absent from his show everytime I decide to tune in.

Maddow is still and always will be my favorite TV talking head. She's smart, funny, respectful to those she has on her show and I have used her videos more than once to communicate points to conservative friends hooked on Fox News talking points.

EDIT: Ok, watched the opening to The War Room with Jennifer Granholm, she was lovely on the Colbert Report and very likeable but she doesn't read from a teleprompter very well. Her delivery is very wooden but I'll continue to record her in hopes she gets better. But wow. Maddow and Olberman etc. never look like they are reading from a teleprompter, with her it's pretty obvious. She needs to find her style.

[–]elshizzo[S] 2 points3 points ago

There's no Democratic party cheerleading on Current TV? It's owned by Al Gore.

Al Gore isn't a politician anymore. He goes after the Democratic party plenty now that he's out.

Maddow and O'Donnell and Chris Hayes are amazing.

Maddow and Hayes are good, i'll give you that. But it's still corporate owned. MSNBC fired their anti-war people during the Iraq war invasion because MSNBC [GM] would make a ton of money off of the war. That may sound conspiratorial, but I think its based in truth. Being corporate owned can mess up good journalism in certain circumstances.

I have not seen Cenks show so I can't comment on her/him but will record her

There's the problem. Noone goes after the Democratic party from the left more than Cenk does. So much so that he gets a lot of hate for it.

[–]revengetube 0 points1 point ago

I agree. MSNBC and Current are doing a good job. I don't need to watch TYT trash Democrats to make it seem like he is "rebellious." It makes him not look serious.

[–]restlys 1 point2 points ago

when TYT got on there, thats when i knew current was the real deal.

[–]yuhkih 1 point2 points ago

Right, it's only owned by Al Gore, the guy who promotes his own investments.

[–]iambecomedeath7 1 point2 points ago

I really like them, except that they have a fairly obvious anti-gun slant whenever I've seen the subject come up with them. Other than that, I really like them.

[–]jesus4governor 2 points3 points ago

Current has done some great things over the past year. First they pulled in Keith Olberman after he left MSNBC. The reason he left was because the higher ups at NBC didn't like what he was talking about and would not let him speak on some subjects. Current let's their hosts talk about whatever they want. Also Current was started by Al Gore. Oh and check out Vanguard which is a great documentary series which airs on current.

[–]TheLoneHoot 1 point2 points ago

Let's not forget Current's excellent documentary series, Vanguard. That's always one hour of television well worth watching.

Current may not be "corporate controlled" but they do have outside advertisers that they may be beholden to. I don't blame them, they have to make money to survive, but it is a possible corporate filter to be aware of.

To get quality news without the corporate filter, here in the US at least, I'd suggest two stations:

Free Speech TV
LinkTV

Both carry Democracy Now! and various other non-commercial news broadcasts from both within and from outside the US. Yes, DN! has a left wing bias to be sure, but it's damned good journalism and interviews with no corporate filter. LinkTV also carries Mosaic, a collection of news broadcasts from a variety of state and independent media from all over the Middle East (running the spectrum from PRESS and IRNA to the IBA). LinkTV also carries DW TV and the program Global Pulse as well as the award winning "Fault Lines".

I highly recommend both channels, FSTV and LinkTV, to ALL progressives. Do yourself a favor and at least spend 10 minutes daily getting your headlines from Democracy Now!.

[–]apester 0 points1 point ago

Around here current is on time warner but just barely, its in the upper tier on digital cable and for some weird reason after about 8pm the channel becomes "unavailable" along with most of the other channels in its range.

[–]ReyTheRed -1 points0 points ago

I am aware of it. I don't get the channel though. Not that it matters much, I don't pay much attention to TV these days.

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

I just don't like how the Vanguard reporters act like Cannabis is an illicit drug and equate the Emerald Triangle with Cartel grows in Federal Parks. Clearly, there is still an editorial bias against things that their sponsors find controversial, and for that, I maintain my grain of salt.

[–]whatevesbro 0 points1 point ago

TYT Naition represent!

[–]joekv 1 point2 points ago

"Current" is a "Progressive" tv channel with no live stream...

[–]DeLaHussy 0 points1 point ago

I hadn't heard about this but will definitely check it out.

It is exciting to see a cable channel striving to represent a real liberal view point. However a quick google search confirms that this is indeed corporate owned. I don't think that necessarily deems it invalid but it does suggest it will fall short of being truly progressive.

I know it isn't cable but anyone interested in news from a truly progressive point of view should check out The Real News Network & also on Youtube. Or Democracy Now.

I think supporting an independent, user funded news network like The Real News is a better way to enable a progressive voice. Rather than making do with another corporate (all be it liberal) cable network.

Just my two cents.

(Edited for bad formatting)

[–]elshizzo[S] 0 points1 point ago

However a quick google search confirms that this is indeed corporate owned.

10%?

[–]DeLaHussy 0 points1 point ago

The network is owned by the parent company, Current Media LLC started by Al Gore and Joel Hyatt. Making it 100% corporate owned. Comcast owns 10% of Current Media LLC.

[–]elshizzo[S] 0 points1 point ago

Current is owned by Current. I guess that would "technically" mean its corporate owned, but its not really the same thing as being owned by GM or whatnot.

[–]DeLaHussy 0 points1 point ago

I get what you mean and I think it is better to have a corporate owned network trying to be impartial or represent more progressive views than none at all. However it will still need to make profits and possibly appease advertisers. This means it is still stuck within the current paradigm and I worry that this means it will shy away from confronting the need for serious systemic change in the US.

That is what I like about the user funded model of the real news network. Being funded by the viewers and donations makes it beholden to no one and allows them to present any and all views. No matter how radical.

[–]revengetube 0 points1 point ago

I love Current's new direction. It's been probing and unabashedly progressive. No trying to have Republicans launching baseless attacks. Just searching for the truth.

Granholm's show has been very good. I love KO. Not really into Young Turks.

[–]ucjuicy 0 points1 point ago

I love Keith (where is he lately?) And i really love Cenk. This new War Room show has me upset though: I saw a promo she did for it a couple days ago where she strongly pushed the "war" metaphor. This just a week after Gabrielle Giffords resigned. As soon as Current gets on the radar of people (?) like Rush and Bill O, the skewering they will take i feel might be a bit justified.

[–]BrandoMcGregor 1 point2 points ago

Good point, it did seem to be a little too aggressive. Did the Rally to Restore Truth and or Fear have no influence on Granholm.

Second time someone has brought up Cenk. I am going to have to record their show. What is it called?

EDIT: Ok so it's the Young Turks. I like them as a Youtube channel. They're a little too morning DJ though for me. Still props to Current for at least trying to promote a progressive agenda.

[–]revengetube 0 points1 point ago

The War Room is very tongue-in-cheek of a title. It references a campaign office (called war rooms) and the set even looks like one. In no way does it have a pro-war or violent theme, but it is dramatic.

[–]torchlit_Thompson -1 points0 points ago

The produstion quality sucks donkey dick. Who broadcasts in SD in 2012? Who?

[–]kirbyderwood 5 points6 points ago

Who cares? It's news, not a feature length action movie.

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

It's a tree falling in the woods if no one is watching to hear it fall.

[–]cultcrit 3 points4 points ago

wait, it's a channel of people talking, right? Which you need to see in HD becaaaaaause..... why again?

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

Which you need to see in HD becaaaaaause..... why again?

Because the effect of HDTV's scaling up feature hurts my eyes, and I imagine it does the same to anyone over 25. Plus, it makes the network look cheap and amateurish, like FSTV. Hadn't you considered that, or were you too busy being a crumb-snatchin' smart-ass?

If alternative media isn't disseminated to the largest possible audience, then it just becomes a different brand of echo chamber, and I have no interest in a circle-jerk, regardless of whether I may agree ideologically. If you want to start winning, stop trying to sound so cool and think critically about what you're saying before you try to score some karma whore-points with a snark-tastic comment reply, son.

[–]KalenXI 2 points3 points ago

Some of their shows are shot in HD but I doubt that even if they did broadcast in HD that the cable providers would give them the bandwidth for it given that they're not a major channel. We don't even get BBC America in HD on FiOS.

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

but I doubt that even if they did broadcast in HD that the cable providers would give them the bandwidth for it given that they're not a major channel.

That would violate FCC regulations. One of the best made-up excuses I've heard so far.

[–]daychilde 2 points3 points ago

Yeah? Well your spelling/typing quality sucks donkey dick. Who reads shitty comments in 2012? Who?

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

So, lacking anything to dispute my claim, you resort to attacking my grammar? That is gratifying.

The answer to your question is you, obviously, since you replied, snarkily, almost verbatim.

[–]torchlit_Thompson 0 points1 point ago

Oh noes, a grammar nazi. Well, that surely invalidates my entire thesis. I guess I'll just have to quit the internet and go back to masturbating to the Sears ads...

[–]FightingPolish -1 points0 points ago

I'm as liberal as they come on many issues but I have a serious problem with this. I don't know about anyone else but I don't want "news from a progressive point of view", I just want "the news". Who, what, where, why, when. Give me the facts of the issues and I will take those facts to form my opinions, most likely in a progressive way because that's how I view the world but I when that view doesn't happen to be correct on a particular issue I want to understand why and act accordingly, not be ignorant of something because it doesn't fit the narrative. I don't need a commentator to tell me what my opinion is. If you are only watching the news that has been spun to make it fit your worldview then your are no better than a Fox News viewer. Anyone outside your progressive echo chamber sees you as delusional, just the same as people outside of the conservative echo chamber view most Fox News viewers.

[–]DeLaHussy 0 points1 point ago

I mostly agree with you but no one in the US shows impartial news. It is all spun. The political spectrum in the community ranges all the way from far right to far left but the news coverage only seems to range from the barely centre left of CNN and MSNBC (and even then only on some issues) to the hysterical far right of Fox. The smartest and most frightening thing Fox managed was to characterise their competition as the "liberal media" and move the whole debate well to the right. There is no real liberal media in the US. As much as I would rather have impartial media, in the current situation a progressive voice is needed to try and bring some balance to public debate.

[–]AnonymousChicken -2 points-1 points ago

Aside from being run by the Russian government (essentially), thoughts on RT English coverage?