Rape, prejudice and fetish

Skolanthropy · 3 months

Is it true that the emotions tied to finding pleasure in such things can actually be kept separate from their "normal lives?"

Crabski · 3 months

Two elements are critical here: first, the issue of consent, and second, whether the scenario is sexual in tone or not.

The tone of the encounter matters a great deal: is it sexual or not? If yes, it is almost certainly staged and consensual, and therefore desired and pleasurable. Sadomasochism is a well-documented sexual practice, and it often includes power mechanics such as beating, verbal abuse, and ravishment/rape; but this treatment is intentional and desired by all people involved, including the victim. If no, it is almost certainly not, and therefore not desired and not pleasurable.

Your descriptions of the two scenarios conjure different images in my mind; the first brings to mind a staged BDSM scenario where a seductive Jewish girl is dominated by a porn actress with stripper Nazi garb on (you know, with the whip, miniskirt, netted stockings and all). The second scenario, however, implies that it is not sexual or desired in nature; I imagine something closer to a Nazi officer beating and berating poor Jewish peasants on the snowy streets of Warsaw. Perhaps this disconnect between your two scenarios was unintended, but I'll bet you that it's what caused the confusing answers from your friends.

If we assume the first scenario is also set in the Warsaw Nazi/peasant scene but with rape added in, the tone shifts massively toward the unpleasant. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find mature (adult) people who enjoy watching actual, non-fantasy rapes; one look at the aftermath is generally enough to turn people off for a lifetime (people who enjoy it do exist, but only on the extreme fringes of society; sociopaths, psychopaths, etc.).

As an end note, I think you might be missing the point a bit by calling it a 'prejudice'. BDSM sexual practices have nothing to do with prejudice in the standard sense; from what I've gathered, it seems to usually be about exploring interpersonal power dynamics. A sexual master dominating his/her subject in the bedroom is a completely different subject from what I would call a 'prejudice' (a 19th century White plantation owner enslaving the 'darkies' or 'niggers' because they're primitive and inferior).

Shaper_pmp · 3 months

I was all set to say the two scenarios are equivalent, but when you mentioned the viewer was female and Jewish, it suggests she's deriving pleasure from identifying with the abused party rather than the abuser, which is a different and more complex question.

Personally I have no trouble with BDSM porn as long as both practitioners are deriving satisfaction or pleasure through it (eg, a sub and a dom, as opposed to a dom and someone trying to pay the rent), but you raise a good point that less this requirement, the sexual version is functionally no different to the non-sexual one.

TL:DR; Either your friend(s) only like porn where the abused party is willing and aroused by their treatment, or I suspect they're hypocrites excusing their fetish but condemning others for functionally identical behaviour.

underground_man-baby · 3 months

There's the concept of "silencing"; where people may hear what a person is saying, yet denies that they are being genuine. This is a term that sometimes comes up in porn debates relating to sexual assault. Porn might make men believe that women are "slutier" than they really are, and so they won't take women as seriously when they say no to sex.

jcinterrante · 3 months

hahaha what is this thread?

KaiusSauersIuvenis · 3 months

Well, sexuality is something separate from the psyche or one's will. People do not pick their sexuality. However, enjoying the scene of terrible beatings is a bad thing because that shows up in a person's psyche. It shows a sadistic nature.

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