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[–]RexManningDay 13 points14 points ago*

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"I'm not gay, but"

I've always understood this as just a sign of solidarity. It's saying "look, even people who're not directly affected support your right to pursuit of happiness". (Pursuit of happiness - wonderful American phrase there - some old fucker knew what he was doing when he wrote that).

If I, personally, say "I know some wonderful gay people", well, it's fucking obvious I think that. I am one. I have a certain bias there. "I'm not gay but I know some wonderful gay people" is usually just pointing out that straight people feel strongly about accepting us as human beings too. It's saying it's not just an issue for gay people. It's an issue for all people.

It all depends on the context of course. But usually when I see that phrase, I don't see it as "Please don't assume I'm gay, because I'd hate that".

[–]heretikLaughter, Comedy, Sharing 3 points4 points ago

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Upvote for use of "who're"

[–]runpmc 8 points9 points ago

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And that, o my droogs, is why I might look a little bit blank for a moment when you come out in the middle of a conversation, or indeed make out on the bus. It's not because I hate you. It's not because I think you're kewl. It's because I'm trying to be a tiny part of a world where things that should be normal are normal.

This bit right here is why I'm upvoting. I wish more people thought this way...

[–]dada_ 8 points9 points ago

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As a straight man (ironically, I have to add that disclaimer now that it's genuinely relevant) I always refuse to preface any comment I make with "I'm not gay" because that would imply a relevancy that does not exist. What would it matter if I were? In what Randian reality does one need to always have a self interest in order to speak out in support of civil rights?

That said, of course I have a stake in this too. Anytime a minority group has its rights denied it sets a precedent for the arbitrary persecution of another group. Simply put, if it can happen to you, it can happen to me. A far more classic example, of course, is religious persecution (what if the roles were reversed?) but the right for gay people to marry and receive equal treatment under the law qualifies as well.

[–]simonask 2 points3 points ago

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In what Randian reality does one need to always have a self interest in order to speak out in support of civil rights (no homo)?

FTFY. ;)

[–]tepidpond 10 points11 points ago

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You'd get an upvote for "giggling minks" even if the rest of it wasn't worth reading.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 2 points3 points ago

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I originally read it as "monks," which is equally amusing in its own way.

Also, totally agree with unclefreeze that grainy amateur porn is much more fappable than high-def naked soullessness.

[–]gorbal 4 points5 points ago

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I am not gay, but....- I think it is a clarification of where you stand. Sometimes I think it is important to say you aren't gay so people don't think you are the ultimate voice of experience on gay issues.

[–]mariesoleil 11 points12 points ago

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Maybe, as someone who by definition loves women and gets off on their sexuality, I want to watch women enjoy themselves sex-wise. Turns out that's in the 'lesbian' section which this straight porn site has for some reason!"

You think the "lesbian" porn genre is about women enjoying sex? Try putting one finger with a disgustingly long fake nail inside a woman's vagina without even touching her clit and see if she comes.

[–]unclefreeze[S] 11 points12 points ago

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I put that in quotes because I wanted to represent a naive but not dumb-as-rocks perspective.

[–]drachenmaler 1 point2 points ago

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This is something I've never understood. If I learned anything from "The Kids are Alright" it's that so-called lesbian porn is not made for lesbians. The real problem is that straight guys confuse the porno lesbians with real-life lesbians.

[–]NotReallyStephenFry 1 point2 points ago

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Try putting one finger with a disgustingly long fake nail inside a woman's vagina without even touching her clit and see if she comes.

You're obviously not watching the right kind of lesbian porn.

[–]mariesoleil 1 point2 points ago

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I was referring to the majority of the genre, which is really formulaic. There's usually some kissing, followed by sucking on the nipple, followed by some oral, followed by either a dildo or a strap-on.

[–]failedatflstudio 1 point2 points ago

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Yes this is a throwaway but I just want to give everyone a PSA:

Do not take acid and start watching mainstream lesbian porn with your trip partner. You will get terrified and start crying or otherwise freak out.

[–]ISeeYourShame 0 points1 point ago

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Maybe some people would get off on that. Maybe not everyone has such sophisticated taste in porn.

[–]mariesoleil 0 points1 point ago

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It's not sophistication to want to see people in porn enjoying themselves. Like in straight porn, few people want to see a woman using teeth during fellatio.

[–]ISeeYourShame 0 points1 point ago

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That's true but there is or was a happy audience for every scrap of smut. It comes down to individuals' consumption. If there weren't a market for it then it would not be successful (like mainstream porn.) I just feel like you are coming dangerously close to telling people what pornography should be, maybe you weren't though.

[–]mariesoleil 0 points1 point ago

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Whatever you can think of, somebody would like it. Simulated rape porn has fans, as does humiliation porn.

[–]anace 1 point2 points ago

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I would like to thank you for recognizing that not everyone is here because they are gay, and that in order to identify yourself as an outsider you claim to be a heterosexual cisman, rather than just heterosexual.

It really should be far more common, but most cis people (and many trans people) have never even heard the word before.

[–]evrae 0 points1 point ago

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Or if they have heard the word before it's in an entirely different context (Cisalpine Gaul in my case).

[–]unclefreeze[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Same root.

[–]MoreNerdThanHipster 1 point2 points ago

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I sometimes feel like shaking him warmly by the hand and remarking "I'm so glad you're open about being gay and willing to make that kind of commitment in the face of blah blah blah." Think about just how rude that is for a moment. And that, o my droogs, is why I might look a little bit blank for a moment when you come out in the middle of a conversation, or indeed make out on the bus.

This is fine. If someone comes out to you in a casual way then they aren't expecting a parade. I live in a fairly liberal city and people's good intentions tend to shine through.

[–]ThisIsNotHim 1 point2 points ago

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On "lesbian" porn: Assuming both females are attractive there's a higher chance that an attractive person is doing something interesting to watch at any given moment.

[–]parl 0 points1 point ago

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I've never watched lesbian porn, but I've read that producers have a rule that one lesbian and one straight woman are normally used. Why? Because (as I've read) two straight women don't have any chemistry and two lesbians tend to forget that they're performing for the camera.

Is this true? Dunno. But I can understand that performing for the camera is quite different than doing the act(s) for yourselves.

[–]bosh-head 7 points8 points ago

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"I'm not gay, but"

I might be crazy, but I see a big difference between "I'm not gay" versus "I'm straight".

Saying "I'm straight" might be some relevant information, or just to let people know that we've got ourselves a straight ally (which is nice to know).

Saying "I'm not gay" comes off as some kind of aversion to gayness... it's describing what you're not, rather than what you are.

[–]unclefreeze[S] 5 points6 points ago

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Ah, interesting, thanks. I don't hear it this way in the particular contexts I'm talking about, because describing that you're not in the implicit audience of the subreddit is kind of the point, but I'll try to keep in mind that people could take it this way.

Oh, also, this brings us to the point that "gay" is different from LGBTQ, which is another perfectly valid reason to use "am straight (and cisgendered)" instead of "not gay" or whatever.

I guess what I'm asking for there is patience with people who aren't used to it being clumsy about discussing their identity. They -- we -- will step on some toes. Obviously that should be corrected. But I want to remind folks that it's sometimes an earnest step in the right direction, even when it comes across real insensitive.

[–]simonask 0 points1 point ago

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Oh, also, this brings us to the point that "gay" is different from LGBTQ, which is another perfectly valid reason to use "am straight (and cisgendered)" instead of "not gay" or whatever.

While your point is good, it's not unfair to acknowledge the fact that 90% of the visitors of /r/lgbt are homosexual males. ;)

Not that we don't want to include (or in this case I guess, exclude) everyone, but you know, it can also be a practicality.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I think its just identifying against the norm, and here(in this subreddit) LGBT is the perceived as the default. In the same way that if I am in an ice cream shop I might say "Oh, I don't eat dairy" instead of "I'm vegan."

[–]ISeeYourShame 2 points3 points ago

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Agreed. And I would go farther, just because you aren't gay doesn't mean you are straight.

[–]unclefreeze[S] 0 points1 point ago

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And, for that matter, just because you are straight doesn't mean you aren't gay. A bi person could say yes to both identities.

[–]awp105 1 point2 points ago

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Claiming you're not gay is a way of creating 'others.' You should define yourself by who you are not by what you're not. Also, silence should not be confused with acceptance.

[–]cbogart 0 points1 point ago

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What's wrong with "others"?

[–]drachenmaler 1 point2 points ago

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Hi unclefreeze, thanks for posting this.

I think a lot of us in gay community forget that we used to think we were straight, and although we were horribly repressed, we actually took things straight people did at face value and responded with reason and rationality. Then we came out and decided to start taking all the brownie points that come with being victims of society, and forgot that we were actually pretty normal.

Or it could be your boss or sibling.

Extreme caution telling your boss anything about your personal life. The workplace isn't a great petri dish for social activism, that's risking a lot. Make sure you know what you're doing.

[–]unclefreeze[S] 0 points1 point ago

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  1. Maybe. I'm not trying to tell LGBT people to calm down, or anything like that. I see LGBT people being mean to non-LGBT people much less than vice-versa, you know?

  2. Oh, yeah, no, don't come out to people you don't want to come out to. I mean talking to people who are already allies about how to be better allies.

[–]harveystewart 0 points1 point ago

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Upvoted for Clockwork Orange Reference.

[–]parl 0 points1 point ago

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TIL what cisman means, not to mention that there is such a word.

[–]heretikLaughter, Comedy, Sharing 0 points1 point ago

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It's a bit ignorant to say that "99% of straight porn" (which I guess is the OP's way of saying porn marketted to hetero cisgender males like me) includes women trying not to cry. There's a market for that kind of stuff, fine, but don't say that's the majority. It's not.

[–]unclefreeze[S] 1 point2 points ago*

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It's a subtext I consistently see in straight porn when I don't specifically search for stuff of a higher quality. It's the great majority of the front page of most any generic "free" porn site. I admit 99% is an exaggeration, but I think it's so common that it can consistently disturb straight men into preferring what the quote lesbians end quote are up to.

[–]heretikLaughter, Comedy, Sharing 0 points1 point ago

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Here. Please point out to me the half of the content shown involving girls trying not to cry. I am just as turned off by the scenes which make it look like something she doesn't want to do, but that stuff makes up a small fraction. It's not half. It's not a quarter. It's almost negligible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Hot Lola likes it hard

[–]heretikLaughter, Comedy, Sharing 0 points1 point ago

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I doubt she's hating what she's doing in that one. But fair enough, sure, you have one! Out of 20!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I only looked at one. I have no interest in viewing all of them but based on the pictures I'd say that none of the girls in blowjob videos are enjoying it.

[–]yourdadsbffgaysha gown 0 points1 point ago

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Damn, I wish you could explain this ish to some of your fellow str8 cis dudes who are, to put it nicely, not as friendly toward the LGBT population.

[–]unclefreeze[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Unfortunately I have other things to divide my time among. Also, it’s hard getting through to a serious homophobe because to them I'm essentially an Uncle Tom.

[–]NeverAnonPassion, Love, Sex 0 points1 point ago

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thought it was a bit ironic that you started the post with "Straight guy here"