Razel, The Primal Guardian (Overhauled)

allen_bass · 7 months

Haha why does he look like Ajani from Magic the Gathering?

Skerh · 7 months

I REALLY like the art and his spells but man, the numbers a just very fucking OP o_o

Just sor you can see, with a normal lategame bruiser gear ( average more than 200 ad and 3k health with Atmogs ), he would shield himself for more than 800 damage with his E. Basically you have Blitscrank passive up every minute. WTF ? Same goes for his health based damage and even his spells base damage. His ult does way too much damage way too easily especally for a bruiser. I'm not even talking about free spellvamp and free life steal, would be the most OP champion ever ^{^}

But honnestly, balance concerns aside ( i know you just made a concept and probably didn't put much effort into balance ), he just looks so fucking cool !

I would definitely buy him if he was an actual champion. Great job man !

CommanderCool24 · 7 months

I got excited for a second. I thought this was real. It should be.

TheDarkWolfy · 7 months

Meta golem With atmogs.. he is made for it

RandomCoolName · 7 months

25%, 35%, 45% of his current health in damage to 3 enemies.

6 warmogs ---> one shot the enemy carry. with the FIRST proc ಠ_ಠ

Arcanoi · 7 months

Q - Is Olaf's E but better in every way. 1.0 AD Ratio and a 4.5 second cooldown on True damage? Nope.

W - Almost as good as Maokai's ultimate. Team autowins fights on it.

E - Poor design. A skill that has no user input whatsoever and only does anything when you hit 25% health? Why would you make Blitzcrank's already boorish passive almost word for word into an ability?

R - Ridiculously powerful. All of the best aspects of Alpha Strike and Brand's ult. Better than both in every way, too, and Brand's ult is already outrageously strong. Gap-Closer that will do 1300+ damage on the first hit, 1650+ on the second hit, and 2000+ on the third. Will destroy an entire team instantly.

In short, this is everything that is wrong with the Tanky DPS concept, plus a basic failure to understand how numbers work in this game. Scales directly off health at a 1.05-1 ratio and gets True damage for it (Sad Olaf scales at .01:1 per attack and has an E that doesn't scale at all, Sad Vlad scales at .08:1 or so over his whole combo), so Atmog's is absolutely gamebreaking, even though it's already broken. His Q is true damage that scales off AD, so Triforce is just ridiculous.

Even with a complete numbers overhaul, his direct health-to-damage scaling would have to be so weak that it would be incidental at best.

Lot2rocks · 7 months

Atmogs would be way too overpowered, imo, and his ultimate is simply over the top. 45% of his own current health, on a bruiser scaling with health? Also, the base damage on his ult is probably way too high aswell - it has almost the same damage as Annie's Tibbers but three times.

I like your ideas, but you gotta slap him with the nerf hammer a few times :)

SuperNerd1337 · 7 months

Rly nice champ, although, i believe this kind of mechanics would be kinda op...

[deleted] · 7 months

Way too much damage for being so tanky. He would scale insanely well with warmog's atma's.

elykG · 7 months

That ult is way, way too strong. Triple kill with every ult.

Tabzzz · 7 months

The ultimate seems extremely OP, and his skillset aside from his ult is just way too strong.

cool concept but wouldn't fit in with the rest of the champion roster, unless you nerf the numbers heavily

InfinitusOdium · 7 months

after watching the pic i feel like in The Chronicles of Narnia

tankertotz · 7 months

Very good, but with his passive should others be added to the cc's? Like snares and such.

VPav · 7 months

Some constructive critique, if i may?

Passive lasts too long Id say 6 seconds top.

I love the Q idea, but i liked the original one more. However, you should have a steady 2% scaling at lvl 1 to 5, just lower the CD. And on lvl 5 it should be real low (3-4 sec), for the trinity to proc, E is passive, W should have some high CD. He can really use a low CD skill here.

W is somewhat complicated and therefore hard to talk about it until we see how it works in game

E is awesome! Should be ~600 HP with that atmogs. Looks real nice.

R should be something like Akalis, you charge towards first one, than have 2 stacks left, but shouldn't be able to charge on the same person more than once. Also, numbers must be nerfed, by A LOT. lets say he has 4k hp. That is 450 + 2k damage. Dont you think that 45% HP for initiating skill is a bit too much? He would 1 shot every ranged carry.

I LOVE the idea. Would totally play this guy!

sonicdeathmonkey2132 · 7 months

Seems pretty cool but every ability is waaay OP. Scale the numbers/percentages down... like a lot.

Edit: Nasus on a Charlie Sheen crack binge

soulekar · 7 months

I love the concept but I feel the champ has way to many "passive" parts to his abilities. He can do literally everything. Either, everything needs more nerfs or these passives and multi-abilities need to be changed.

Tetchy · 7 months

I'm sorry you have more comments than upvotes :P

Nooble1145 · 7 months

Don't like his E, give it a use and reduce the proc.

-Polynomial- · 7 months

I think the ult is very cool, but from a gameplay perspective it is kind of awkward. As I am reading it now, it looks like you choose a target, then choose another, then choose another, almost like a very short window Akali ult, or a Xerath ult that lets you cast two more times within a certain window.

The problem I have with it is that if you can choose the same target over and over, it becomes a truckload of damage for very little cost. I think it was meant to be a "hit one, charge another, charge a third", which doesn't feel all that great. Think if there are only two targets in range and you are chasing someone down. You can hit the first target, then dash to the second,... and then you feel like you wasted a giant nuke on nothing.

I'm also not so sure about his ult scaling of current health. It has the potential to feel awesome if your are at 100% health, or terrible if you are at 10%. Couple that with the idea that the ult makes you initiate, then I'm not so sure. Perhaps scaling off max health and making it smaller, or scaling on some sort of "while this is up, Razel takes incoming damage and turns it into X bonus damage for his dash, up to Y bonus damage."

His passive is definitely a lot of fun, but feels like it should be put on a champ that is built like granite. Also, against permaslow champs like Ashe, 12% damage reduction is pretty huge. Also, in the same case, I think the bonus damage would only trigger after he stops being slowed, at which point he can't go kill Ashe with his new awesome power any more. I noticed you actually took those numbers down from the original, but I still feel they are too high. That's more of a mathcraft thing though, and I'd rather comment on concept.

But anyway, back to the passive being on him. Razel feels like a bruiser-like carry, with a bunch of Atma's (and reverse Atma's) mechanics built in. The passive feels a lot like a tank's passive with the words "attack damage" tacked on the end. I still like it, however. Maybe I'm just not understanding it.

Also: That Q is sexy. Looks like a lot of fun.

Here are my suggestions (and again, just suggestions):

Have the ult be a three part dash, like Renekton. When he activates it, give him a good 20 or so second window. Have it do a set amount of base damage that is reduced for every target hit, like MF's ult (or a bajillion other abilities), but still let it scale up with each new dash. After dashing, he has to wait X (probably 3-5) seconds before he can dash again. If he hits a target, reduce that wait time by half, similar to Renekton. This will hopefully work with his passive to make him feel more like a giant freight train rushing through people.

Also, remove the bonus damage from the passive. It feels klunky. Maybe add a "if he's been CC'd for X seconds, his damage increases by Y."

Other notes:

He feels much more like a tank then a bruiser, especially with the passive and the W. In some ways he feels like a Shen and Malphite combo, but for some reason he has a bunch of "Let's get more AD" mechanics that don't really suggest that he is meant to tank. I'd love to see more stuff, perhaps on his E, that trigger off of CC, slows, and the like, but I'm not sure if it will fit.

I feel his kit is a bit conflicting. His passive, R, and W suggest being really tanky, but his Q and E suggest bruiser or AD carry.

Overall, he looks like tons of fun. Definitely OP in his current state. Atmogs would push hit ult to a point that's no longer a bruiser or a tank, but a giant AD nuke, and I don't think that's what you are going for. Great job though.

wailing · 7 months

My feedback. Generally speaking I don't care about the numbers just the effects and overall design.

Passive: I like it. Interesting effect to discourage mobbing one target.

Q: Unexceptional single attack booster. Has some mark riders that make it nuts. Not sure what 'besiege' has to do with his theme as the primal guardian.

W: Some kind of mark thing that also grants a massive lifesteal and spellvamp bonus if enemies stand on it. This spell basically wins teamfights if enemies stand in it. The thing I don't like about this is that you've got a mark as a spell, but only the Q does anything with the mark. Also, granting lifesteal / spellvamp is pretty boring (and hard to notice) for effects.

E: A non-skill. Serves only to improve this dude's survivability. League of Legends in general seems to prefer that all champions have 3 real skills, even if one of those skills has a passive effect.

R: Targets 3 characters, not sure how that works UI-wise. The dash in general doesn't seem to fit with his kit, since he seems like more of a 'stalwart' bruiser, tanky DPS guy than a quick and mobile assassin or initiator. I'd suggest something else entirely.

In general, his kit doesn't seem to have much of a theme, and aside from his ultimate, he's basically just way vanilla and boring. He throws down W and hopes the enemy stands in it while he mashes Q.

The R is really overpowered and turns him from an uninspired tanky DPS bruiser sort of character into a tanky DPS assassin with great sustain. Basically guaranteed 2-3 kills initiating in any teamfight, then you toss down W and either enemies run or you destroy them singlehandedly with insane lifesteal and resistance to focus fire.

NeverfailMode · 7 months

Awesome art, seems like a cool champion. My one comment would be change "Rooted" in his passive to "Snared".

Theledin · 7 months

Not sure why current health and not maximum health? Also ulting 3 times the same person lol

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