this post was submitted on
21 points (92% like it)
23 up votes 2 down votes

reddit is a source for what's new and popular online. vote on links that you like or dislike and help decide what's popular, or submit your own!

all 19 comments

[–]Vijchti 22 points23 points ago* 

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Good question.

Like other posters have pointed out, the source of that metallic smell when you rub coins is actually the oils on your hand. Specific metals catalyze a lipid reduction reaction, then you smell the reduced, decomposed lipids and recognize it as that metallic smell.

The actual metallic taste in blood is unknown -- you have a certain quantity of free metals dissolved into your blood, among them are copper, zinc, and iron, but the actual source is debatable. There is some data suggesting that when certain iron compounds such as ferrous sulfate are ingested, some of the "taste" is actually a smell coming from within the mouth (retronasal smell: smell passing through the back of your mouth and onto your olfactory nerves), and it has been hypothesized that it's that same lipid reduction as seen on your hands. However, other metallic compounds such as copper sulfate and zinc sulfate can be tasted without any retronasal smell.

So, we still don't know what the taste actually is, but we have some idea.

And, just for completeness: the iron in your body is not all bound up in hemoglobin. In fact, most of it is bound to a storage protein in your intestines called ferritin while quite a bit is in equilibrium with a transportation protein in your blood called transferrin. When it isn't being actively stored or transported, free iron will accumulate in your tissues (get enough and you might kill yourself by hemochromatosis). But the basic point is that iron is certainly moving around in your blood independent of hemoglobin.

[–]neurosnap 1 point2 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Bows Excellent post!

[–]goonsack 1 point2 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

you forgot about the iron bound to bobbymcferrin

[–]cchase 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Any idea what specific lipids they react with? Which carbons they oxidize?

[–]Vijchti 1 point2 points ago* 

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

The full article

Supporting information

ScienceDaily summary

tl;dr: It's a variety of precursor organic molecules, but the most potent product responsible for that smell is octenone

The meat of the article:

Blood iron: Blood of one of the authors rubbed onto his own skin resulted in similar metallic odor and the same odorants (78±7 nmol dm-2, 4 repetitions) as in the above experiments. Controls by addition of FerroZine which is a blood-iron chelator suppressed the reaction (4±0.4). Aerated and homogenized blood also developed metallic odor on its own. There are reports that blood iron[10] can decompose blood lipidperoxides and that FerroZine inhibits this reaction.[11] This finding confirms that blood iron can trigger the metallic odor on skin or in blood itself.

Overall skin-iron odor mechanism: The metallic odor from iron contacting skin is surprisingly a type of human body odor. Sweaty skin corrodes iron metal to form reactive Fe2+ ions that are oxidized within seconds to Fe3+ ions while simultaneously reducing and decomposing existing skin lipidperoxides to odorous carbonyl hydrocarbons that are perceived as a metallic odor. This fast reaction creates the sensory illusion that it is the metal in itself that we smell right after touching it. Similar mechanisms underlie the skin-metal odors of iron, copper, and brass (Supporting Information ) used as every-day objects.

Notice that the lipids are actually reduced by the iron ions, not oxidized as I said previously.

[–]Zerin 3 points4 points ago* 

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

I'm at work and can't easily verify this, but I remember reading an article recently that said the 'metalic' taste derived from metal is not caused, usually, by the metal but by dirt on the surface, as the metal itself cannot possibly be used in the chemical process of taste (and that the metal is not going to separate from the rest of the structure just because your tongue is present). If there's any truth to that, then it probably means that you're not tasting the iron, but other components of the plasma that happen to taste like some components of dirt.

[–]tadrinth 7 points8 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

I think it was the reaction of oils on your skin with the metal. You smell the oil volatilizing off the metal.
You might try crossposting to /r/science.

[–]REXXXXXX 4 points5 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

I don't know how much dirt I have in my blood, but I'm sure hoping it's not a lot! Red blood cells have hemoglobin, which contain iron. Simple as that, no?

[–]Zerin 3 points4 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Yes, but is that hemoglobin in a position to come in contact with your taste buds? I haven't done it in a while, but you could calculate the osmotic pressure on the red blood cells to see if they'd rupture in saliva (if I had blood sitting around, I'd totally test this). Further, the iron has to come out of the hemoglobin (as it's held in the center of the protein structure) and generally needs to be soluble in saliva.

Red blood cells spilling into the mouth certainly might explode due to the osmotic pressure of saliva being too different from the internal pressures. But that doesn't mean you'll even taste the components.

Also, following the logic that the iron in hemoglobin causes the iron taste, rare meat should taste like metal (and thus be pretty unpalatable, I would imagine), as muscle contains hemoglobin's sister molecule, myoglobin, which contains iron. I've never witnessed this phenomenon.

[–]HandyAndymolecular biology[S] 2 points3 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Per the osmotic lysis: I had the same thought except you do taste it more or less instantly if, say, you get a cut in your mouth and I wouldn't expect the cells to lyse so quickly.

I remember vaguely that bit about tasting metal but if I recall, there was a fair amount of skepticism regarding that article.

I don't know about the red meat business either. Perhaps the cooked meat denatures the proteins such that the iron stays sequestered away until proteolysis begins in your stomach?

Still scratching my head on this one...

[–]Zerin 2 points3 points ago* 

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Cooked meat might, but rare meat would be relatively intact, hence the strong pink color. The proteins wouldn't have undergone significant denaturing. Further, one could speculate that denatured hemoglobin might make the iron pop right out. It's already causes great stress on the surrounding atoms.

After looking into this more: I have come across the following relevant information:

You do not have receptors for metallic items in your mouth. You can, however, taste some metals like cadmium, mercury, and selenium. However, it appears that this condition is most often caused by non-metal related conditions (and a wide variety of conditions, at that).

I would venture that the metallic taste is a general characteristic of many compounds that lack their own receptors (such as, possibly, misbinding of receptors designed for other tastes). It's no surprise that lots of compounds won't play so nicely with your receptors (just look at the nervous system). If I had to pin it on anything, I'd say a plasma protein is binding somewhere it shouldn't and really screwing the brain's taste association cortex up.

[–]robeph 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

I rarely cook meat (no pun intended) much at all, if at all (people tend to decry this, but on my own, I mean I know its dangerous, but only beef/fish, no pork in this) and it never tastes metallic at all.

Metallic tastes to me also include "current" flavor. No not the lovely berries, but rather electricity. 9V batteries to the tongue, for example, feel "metallic", however it is just the electricity, that you both feel and yet gives a sense of taste for whatever reason. I wonder if there are any metals in the blood than in combination with the dielectric properties of saliva may give enough charge to cause this sensation.

[–]Zerin 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

If the electric current is the only thing contributing to that flavor (and I am familiar with that same effect), then I would imagine that either electrical depolarization of sensory cells or associated proteins might cause unusual sensory information being sent to the brain which, for some reason, gets attached to the taste of metal.

All very interesting, but all very hypothetical.

[–]robeph 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Well yes, it is no more than pure conjecture from anecdotal substance. The only reason I even mentioned it is that the first thought that comes to mind when I taste blood (which is quite often, actually, since as a diabetic I often test my sugar and this often ends up with my finger in my mouth while it bleeds from the hole I've jabbed in it) is batteries.

[–]scoetzeebioinformatics 1 point2 points ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

I'ts also possible that myoglobin might be more resistant to exposing the heme group because it is a single chain protien as opposed to the oligomeric structure of hemoglobin. Additionally a factor might be how readily the heme group gives up the oxygen atom. myoglobin binds very strongly and hemoglobin less so. (possibly it is the act of giving up the oxygen that produces the taste?)

[–]takatori 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

How much blood are you drinking that the taste actually matters?

[–]ddddamn 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

BECAUSE WE ARE ALL MACHINES

[–]super_crazy 0 points1 point ago

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

Ketones?

[–]mordaunt0 -1 points0 points ago* 

sorry, this has been archived and can no longer be voted on

my blood doesn't taste like anything. i just tried :\

Are you just referencing some overwrought crime fiction authors? Because I know I've read books with that imagery.

Edit:

My test protocol involved pricking the inside of my mouth with a toothpick and sucking on it to ensure I wasn't tasting my finger or something else.

At most it tasted like my teeth. So I dunno where that leaves this question :p