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[–]bearzooka 1 point2 points ago

Is it really any more outrageous than believing that all of human history was created by a divine being?

[–]lucaslavia 7 points8 points ago

Egyptologist here. People have been associating ancient Egypt with the esoteric, even the paranormal for hundreds of years - I would personally attribute this to the remnants in memory of pagan mystery cults (Isis/Serapis etc) coupled with the lack of ability to read the language. At one stage hieroglyphics were deemed to hold secret and advanced knowledge.

As an academic I can only scorn and disapprove but its hardly surprising that a book on aliens and pyramids is more attractive to publishers than assessment of old kingdom construction techniques. I've never really looked into the psychology behind conspiracy theorists, at least not beyond being a fan of Jon Ronson, but I would say that once the seemingly unsolvable becomes explained/understood with an irrational theory, people start to defend that point of view. One such theory concerns the geometry and numbers in the pyramids at Giza. Egyptians had a brilliant grasp of mathematics, they knew phi, pi etc and it was built into their standard measure (cubit). Conspiracy theorists love to point out all the seemingly perfect proportions but fail to look into the Egyptian understanding of apparently modern mathematics. I argue from an academically certified position on these matters but that can be a hindrance in that it would be deemed inaccessible to the wider non-Egyptological public. Some academics have attempted to bridge the gap between academia and enthusiast, Toby Wilkinson is a good example, but there is a lot to cover and ancient Egypt as a civilization is still no where near as understood as the classic western ancient civilizations, probably never will. Then we have the more extreme and oppressive.approach of Zahi Hawass, whilst he was completely right in refusing digging permits to teams like the Geomatrix Group, he was never going to win friends by publicly defaming them and starting a slinging match.

I would love to able watch the latest documentary on the pyramids and not have to start throwing things at the screen when they begin a comparison with the Inca or Indus Valley ruins, if they zoom out to show the globe and start drawing lines then its all over. I guess now its both profitable and entertaining to maintain the conspiracies.

[–]occupyearth 2 points3 points ago

I know its a little off topic, but I have always wanted to ask an Egyptologist.

Is it true there is an unexplored chamber under the sphinx, and if so, any guesses to whats inside?

[–]lucaslavia 0 points1 point ago

This is worth looking at I don't find it surprising that a limestone plateau is riddled with channels put that is a debate for geologists, neither is the suggestion of unexplored burial chambers around Giza surprising. There remain many unopened tomb shafts that we know about and Giza was a key funerary site. I would not like to make an assertion about a chamber beneath the Sphinx from speculation but as far as I understand it, the sphinx was cut from the bedrock and as such cutting a chamber underneath it then masking it perfectly sounds difficult. IF you are interested in the details there is a English geologist, Colin Reader, with a passion for Egyptology and particularly the problems posed by the sphinx who has made some serious headway with regards to dating: check this out

[–]eronanke 2 points3 points ago

It starts with Napoleon, the Bible and the Victorians. They trace their roots back to the Near East, culturally, and tie themselves to the prestige of Rome and Greece, but can't quite identify with the more visceral aspects of Egyptian culture (hieroglyphs they couldn't understand, animal-headed gods, etc).

Therefore they wanted to claim that culture, but not as their own. They 'orientalise' it, bringing it into a framework of the exotic and pagan and animalistic.

But how could these primitives create such monumental art and architectural feats? Surely these two elements could not be contained within ONE people (ie, the scientific prowess to create the pyramids, but to also mummify the dead for eternal life, etc...)

Therefore the great aspects, the architecture specifically, must have been someone else's doing - a foreign third party, ie, aliens or atlanteans or some bullshit.

[–]adremeaux 0 points1 point ago

The "graffiti" in question is likely construction markings, not graffiti. But yeah, I mean, obviously aliens didn't build the pyramids, we need to stop wasting our breath with this.

[–]huxtiblejones[S] 1 point2 points ago

I actually linked incorrectly, here's what I was talking about:

There were a few clues about this workforce, and Lehner leads me to one: the limestone quarries immediately below Menkaure's pyramid. "Here's one of the grooves they made to remove a block of stone," he says, bending down next to a channel five inches wide and three inches deep cut into the rock. "They worked with stone picks and copper chisels to free each block, and they carved out sockets for wooden levers so they could pop the whole block—a 20-ton (18 metric ton ) rock—free."

Each block was delineated with red paint before the workers began to remove it. "Some years ago you could still see traces of that red paint," says Lehner, "and a cartouche," the hieroglyphics that encircle someone's name. "It was probably the mark of the team of workers who had to quarry the block."

Similar team-name inscriptions have been found inside the pyramids. On two blocks in the highest chamber of Khufu's Great Pyramid, for example, a gang of workers painted hieroglyphics that read "Friends of Khufu." And in Menkaure's mortuary temple another group displayed its insignia: "Drunkards of Menkaure."

Source

Of utmost importance is the cartouche style graffiti. But still, even the construction markings are good evidence that it was created by Egyptians.

[–]inpu 0 points1 point ago

I don't think it's really an Internet thing, I read stories about this in magazines as a child in the 80s. I think that scientists can only take this head-on to a limited degree, since the conspiracy theorists will just continue to use arguments like those you listed even when they've been thoroughly debunked. I think the best way to fight this might be increasing the scope of history lessons in school. It seems to me that schools concentrate so much on European and American history that some other cultures such as Egypt or native American cultures remain "mysterious" to many people. Providing students with better genuine knowledge about cultures all around the globe could maybe help giving them a better feeling for what humans are capable of.

[–]McPhage 0 points1 point ago

Why are the beliefs so prevalent? It's simple.

Aliens.

[–]brandnewset 4 points5 points ago

It wasn't aliens, it was just some bro's from another solar system.

[–]RockabillyRebel 0 points1 point ago

It's the same as all the crazy religion in the world. People believe it because they want to believe.

[–]TheCheekySeagull 1 point2 points ago

The ancients were the same as us; with the same brains and bodies. They were just as ingenious and driven as we are. The only difference is that we have more accumulated knowledge than they did. I find it insulting that these hippies who call themselves "experts" so eagerly cast doubt on the abilities of our ancestors. It's too hard for them to believe that men built these wonderful structures with nothing but simple tools. It HAD to be aliens. Thanks for that, History Channel.

[–]lucaslavia 1 point2 points ago

Same race same problems, its not surprising that there are often similar solutions.

[–]quinntuckyJones 0 points1 point ago

This is why I've joined this subreddit; to shed my disillusioned, entertained view of Ancient Egypt (thx History Channel). I've mentioned this sentiment in a previous post, but it got no traction or reading recommendations to point me in the right direction. Help me out mods! EDIT: I'm sure there's a list that's 3 miles long, no doubt... give me easy steps!

[–]LordNugget 1 point2 points ago

It's a big-ass book but The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt by Toby Wilkinson is an excellent look on the history of everyone's favourite ancient culture without the rose-tinted spectacles, or the ancient aliens.

And frankly, just because it's reality doesn't make it less entertaining, at least not to me. The mythology created by the Ancient Egyptians as well as their phenomenal accomplishments - be it in terms of literal construction, or the sheer scale of their imperial dominance - is far more fascinating and entertaining to me than any attempt to further supernatural-ify it.

Though I warn you; you'll never be able to watch The Mummy or play Age of Mythology ever again without boring/educating the people around you by correcting them!

[–]quinntuckyJones 0 points1 point ago

haha, awesome. thank you, my Lord!

[–]SamuelLaboy -1 points0 points ago

For a look on new discoveries by a Civil Engineer check these presentations I uploaded to Youtube. From my books:

http://theuniversalsymbol.blogspot.com/

[–]rainytig1 -1 points0 points ago

People like the easy, the exciting, the pleasing answers, rather than true ones.

[–]windwaker9 -1 points0 points ago

Just a suggestion, you could add something to the sidebar saying that /r/egyptology isn't the place for ancient alien handwaving?

[–]AmericanGoyBlog 1 point2 points ago

Reading "The Giza Power Plant" right now and one thing that annoys me the most is that "egyptologists" are usually not skilled practicioners of any other science other than archeology.

And anything that questions their beliefs is ruthlessly mocked and attacked.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_was_a_pyramid_block

Obviously the pyramid builders transported 80 tonne stones using their hands and copper hammers...

Egyptologists right now do not admit ANY question or view which questions their unproven, guessed at assumptions.

Lets start with the fact that the pyramids were not tombs and go from there...

[–]metalmanx 0 points1 point ago

It would seem there is still much that is unknown, much that will not be revealed. I think the big news that no one wants to get out is that huge, well run cities and entire civilizations collapse and are no more. To really know and understand the precarious nature of our civilization would probably scare the crap out of people.

[–]jato 0 points1 point ago

And then you have people like me thats a part of the problem - I just can't stop reading all these insane theories. I find it highly amusing. The more insane the better (seen the forums at graham hancock site? Wow.).

More pageviews for the crazy ones...

[–]lucaslavia 0 points1 point ago

You should check out Revelations of the Pyramids, its even narrated by Brian Cox. Its completely barking mad of course, something to do with a 26000 year apocalypse cycle.

[–]huxtiblejones[S] 0 points1 point ago

Wow, Brian Cox associates with that stuff? Maybe he should stick to physics and cosmology.

[–]lucaslavia 0 points1 point ago

Lol not Brian Cox: professor of awesomeness, Brian Cox RSC actor from Troy, Xmen etc.