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[–]seedywonder 14 points15 points ago

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Well since you're a Brit we have to give a bit of support.

  • People instinctively judge each other by looks. It suggests that your offspring will be more likely to be successful speaking from an evolution POV. This is not something that will go away.
  • Its the only thing you have to go on before you meet someone so as long as people are judgmental, looks will always count
  • As looks will always count, in employment opportunities where presentation and first impressions are important, people who are deemed better looking will be more likely to be considered for the job. Of course competency will come into it too, eventually.
  • Being seem as ugly by society may be harmful socially but being ugly on the inside will help you lose friends much faster
  • Being beautiful can lead to shallow treatment by others who do not expect anything more from you than your looks. This can lead to individuals treated this way either becoming shallow too as a result or leaving them feeling they have something to prove
  • Being seen as ugly on the other hand also lead to a similar drive of ambition in life, the drive to gain the same kinds of opportunities that they see more beautiful people gaining
  • The media and marketing companies will never stop idolising the beautiful. Our instinct is drawn to sex. Beautiful people imply sex. Sex sells.
  • However all is not lost for the less aesthetically perfect people. Men and women alike are drawn to visible beauty at first but many eventually end up marrying those that they find more interesting, regardless of what they might perceive as beauty. I guess some may call this love.
  • Beauty means many different things in many different cultures. The spread of the western idea of beauty may be pervasive all over the world, but from person to person, you will find something different that they admire.

That's all I got. As for you OP, you're cute.

[–]Hatless 1 point2 points ago

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I'm also from the UK and I agree with most of this, although I'd add that being physically attractive will also lead people to make more charitable assumptions about your personality. It's the Halo Effect: beautiful people are also judged as kinder, more intelligent, more interesting, etc, while ugly people get the opposite. So it's more difficult to look beyond someone's appearance to their personality than might be assumed.

And OP, you're a cutie. I prefer the longer hair to the shorter, though.

[–]bbcemma[S] 0 points1 point ago

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The Halo Effect is something we have looked at, but we've also found it can, in some instances, work against you if you are deemed too beautiful - whilst we do think that better looking people have a better personality, some studies show that we also think they are less talented and got where they are by luck and on their looks, instead of hard work. Do you think something needs to be done to rectify this?

[–]Hatless 0 points1 point ago

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Has there been any work done on who's making the judgement that beautiful people got where they are on their looks? I can see the average person being jealous, but to the person hiring or employing them, it'd look like a rational decision based on their professional qualities.

Thing is, I'm not sure that anything could be done to rectify it. It'd be extremely difficult to create legislation on lookism, because unlike ethnicity or gender, there are no clear dividing lines as to who is beautiful and who isn't. Sure, you know it if you see it, but that's never been a particularly good test as far as the law is concerned.

[–]bbcemma[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thank you for these points, they are much appreciated. I agree especially with your fourth point. And thanks for the compliment!

[–]p0ison1vy 8 points9 points ago*

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It's clear that everyone, even unattractive people, act more favorably towards attractive people.

I see it happening all around me on a daily basis. For example, every single time there is a group of new-hires at my workplace, the objectively more attractive ones always become popular quickly, even if they're relatively more rude/abrasive in personality. Whereas the less so, regardless of how clever or nice they are, always have a more difficult time winning people over, and are more likely to be criticized and have their mistakes talked about. It holds true in high-school, and continues to hold true in many aspects of the adult world.

I find it funny that my close friend will tell me over and over how looks don't really matter and i'm shallow for having cosmetic surgery, and yet say things like "we should go to the bar and meet some cute guys". or talk about how hot so and so is.

People seem to have no idea that they do this, and I find that these same people would go on about how it's wrong to judge based on appearance, if you ask them. Perhaps most people don't make substantial judgements based on appearance, but definitely most people make small judgements, based simply on someone's facial structure.

People are so prejudiced against the unattractive, and yet are in such denial about it, I think probably because they know it's unfair, and they wouldn't want others to judge them on their physical flaws.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you for your insight. I think you're right to say that people seem to be unaware that they judge based on appearance. I especially like your point that people are in denial about doing it probably because they themselves would feel discriminated against if people judge them on their flaws. Thank you for your comment!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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to be honest, this is a horrible place to ask. people on here talk shit on super attractive girls (probably because they are the ones that have been rejecting these guys their whole lives), and they boost up girls that are semi-attractive. now, there's nothing wrong with boosting someone, but the purpose of this subreddit is honesty, which there isn't much of

bracing for the inevitable downvotes for being honest

[–]EmperorOfAwesome 7 points8 points ago

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Naw I'm with you there has been way too much feel good bullshit in here lately. It used to be blunt and honest now unless your fat its "you have nice features" or "You know you are hot get off this thread" never ugly

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Do you think there is a genuine self-esteem problem amongst a lot of people that drives them to post here? Or are there more people just posting to get compliments so they can get a quick ego-boost?

& Bob_fKING_rOss - where do you think I should ask?

[–]EmperorOfAwesome 0 points1 point ago

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It's a mixed bag honestly but it used to be constructive criticism now its your cute then focusing on the positive. Positive is great but you can improve your over all appearance if people are blunt and honest with what you should fix. I guess another problem would be peoples preferences and standards and I am fairly critical

[–]Parker2010 7 points8 points ago

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I think you're a very attractive person who just needs to improve their posture and smile more. You've got great features, you've just got to OWN it! :)

[–]bbcemma[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Thanks!

[–]woahlookihaveapillow 3 points4 points ago

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I've always thought that being judged about your looks was just a part of society. That being said, I also believe that being less than average is completely detrimental in your opportunities in life. For instance, I look around 14 or 15, but I am a 20 year old women. This means on a regular basis I have people telling me that I look at least five or six years younger than I actually am, though the most consistent guess is "twelve."

I believe that these things are extremely influential in society. If two people are applying for the same position, have the same credentials, even the same social skills but one is more physically attractive than the other, the physically attractive one wins out no matter what.

In addition, American society especially lives and breathes on the notion that you can make yourself better. You can exercise and lose weight to become more beautiful and healthy-- but there is very little talk about what can be done with a below average face. Makeup can't hide bad bone structure, misshapen eyes, thin lips, a crooked nose, etc. The only things that can change that are plastic surgery, but even that is frowned upon. What is looked up to most highly is natural beauty, which for a lot of people is impossible to obtain-- so you have a vicious cycle. Being average, in my opinion, is probably one of the worst fates you can have in America.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you for your comment! Do you think it's worse to be average in America than anywhere else in the world? Does beauty matter to the same degree anywhere else? Also, I am consistently told I look "twelve", and I am 22... Also, studies have indeed found that if a more attractive person goes for a position, in the scenario you suggest, they will succeed. Unless they are a rather good-looking woman being interviewed by a not so good-looking woman. Women are less accepting of better looking women.

[–]woahlookihaveapillow 0 points1 point ago

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That would make sense because that fits in exactly with how society works!

I don't personally think that it is "just in America" but more likely centralized in "more Westernized countries." This is similar to what perpetuates Eating Disorders in some countries, even developing countries-- the influence of western "ideals" and especially, American television.

Average people, in "westernized" society are seen very little on television, if you think about it. The people in our commercials are good looking, the people in our television shows are exceptional looking-- and even the fat, unattractive comedians on our sitcoms are married to amazingly gorgeous women.

[–]Lucent 2 points3 points ago

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We're already judged on our looks every moment of our lives. It seems the point of this community is more to tease out in what direction and in what amount our appearance is skewing those interactions.

We already know if we're quickly liked or often thought creepy or whatever. What we want to know is how much of that is just due to the halo effect, positive or negative, and how much is due to the person we've actually become.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you for this comment. The Halo Effect is certainly important we've found, and would definitely want to look at in depth. Do you think this community helps people to discover what they can and can't achieve with their looks?

[–]grant0[M] 2 points3 points ago

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Yes, this post is moderator approved – Emma messaged us in advance. Please help her out, community!

[–]DREwelsh 2 points3 points ago

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I'd say the main problem with being unattractive is it's effect on a persons confidence. The majority of people may not care about your looks but the occasional person who does and makes it know can have a serious effect on how someone views them selves and in turn how they act in social situations. I'd also like to say that you are quite attractive but at the same time very approachable and that I am from the UK.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks for your comment. Do you think a lot of damage can be done by horrible comments about your looks then? Do you think people need to be re-educated or is it just human nature to treat unattractive people less favourably than attractive people? Do you think there should be laws to protect lookism in the workplace maybe?

[–]DREwelsh 0 points1 point ago

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I would say horrible comments can definitely leave a lasting effect on someone but I would say most of the time it isn't really of concern unless a person is being harassed for the way they look at which point laws could be of help. Also I feel it is largely human nature for people to be unpleasant towards people they deem unattractive and education probably wouldn't have that much of an effect on the issue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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You're cute, no worries. Best wishes with the show, that is if no one is exploited :)

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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We are careful to look after our contributors. Thanks for the comment!

[–]Rocketbird 1 point2 points ago

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So...what exactly is it that you're looking for from us? Stories? Or what?

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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We are looking at whether people think that Lookism is something that needs to be dealt with in society - and who is to blame for it. Is it the media and the constant bombardment of "beautiful" people in adverts, on television and in films? Or is it human nature? And if it is human nature, can we change that, and how lookist are we really? If you have a personal story to share about being overlooked because of your looks, then please share :)

[–]lvhitch 1 point2 points ago

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I think you are pretty. And I'm from the UK :)

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks! Do you think we are especially judgemental in the UK, or not as bad as other countries? Who do you think is to blame for us being judgemental?

[–]buford419 1 point2 points ago

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You've got a good Scarletttt Johansssson thing going on in that last pic. Definitely not ugly. In short: i'd do you.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you VERY MUCH for this comment! I love Scarlett Johansson, she is awesome. And that is just one example of someone looking up to a celebrity because she is beautiful (but also because I think she's a good actress). Does anyone think that the celebrity obsessed culture we have has increased our desire to be beautiful and also increased our intolerance (if there is any) of unattractive people?

[–]Melivora 1 point2 points ago

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I'm from the UK - I think you look plain with the longer hair, but not offensive at all. The girlier, more recent look is much more attractive. You suit the short hair, which a lot of people can't pull off.
Needs more mascara in my opinion, everyone looks better with mascara.

Also, to answer your last question - I think on a personal basis you don't get judged too harshly on looks. We'd all be mates with an uggo if they were sound. It's strangers we judge, and who judge us. I'd rather talk to a pretty person, that's just how it is.
I think it's a good thing in a way, as we're encouraged by society to look after ourselves, wash our hair etc. Obviously, some people take it too far, but mostly I'm glad for the peer pressure to wear make up, if only because I like feeling good about myself when I catch sight of myself in a uni mirror.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Do you ever feel like you wish you could feel good about yourself without the make up though? I really appreciate this comment. It's great to see someone who thinks from a different perspective, and looking at it as though a little bit of lookism and being judged by our looks does us no real harm. Thanks!

[–]ediciusNJ 1 point2 points ago

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I feel like I'm being judged on my looks daily and I always subconsciously feel like the judgments must be negative. I've never really been comfortable with how I look, even if I'm given positive feedback (and I'm always suspicious of the positive feedback anyway).

Of course, reciprocally, I do the same to others even if I don't mean to, so I suppose it's only fair. I don't think I'm as harsh as some might be (I like a girl with meat on her bones, can really appreciate the "Plain Janes" out there, etc.) but there are always certain traits that will make me judge someone totally irrationally (NASCAR shirt? You must be an idiot redneck. Stain on your shirt? You're sloppy and nasty and probably smell bad. Indian with a mustache? You look ridiculous. And so on.)

Your pics? Definitely pretty in my opinion. Are you a little plain? Sure (and really just in the last picture), but that's not always a bad thing. Means you can blend into the crowd a little better and people will end up liking you for you and not some fake eyelashes or something. The first pic is my favorite - I think you look the cutest in that one, plus it doesn't hurt that I have an affinity for big blue Police Boxes. :D

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Hi, thanks for the comment. I'm sorry to hear you feel suspicious of positive feedback and that you're being judged negatively. Is this something that has grown over time? If so, what influenced you to feel like this?

[–]ediciusNJ 0 points1 point ago

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I think it's something that started when I was younger, high school age. It's the typical sob story, really - bullied and all that, affected my self-esteem and future relationships, etc. Whenever anyone would give me positive feedback, I always feared there was some ulterior motive behind it and it resulted in me being a bit suspicious.

As a basic example, say in high school one day a girl comes up to me and says, "So-and-so thinks you're cute! Hee hee!" and runs off. I believe it and get emotional about it...only to find out that the girl in question and her friends are laughing behind my back at my gullibility and just said I was cute to be mean. So then, the next time someone gives me positive feedback, I'm much more likely to be suspicious of it and make the assumption that instead, I'm actually being seen in a negative light. I hope that made some sort of sense.

I think over time, I've learned to trust people a bit more (as I've become a bit better at spotting the phonies, just from life experience), but I still have that initial suspicion in the back of my head, hinting to me, "What do they really want from me?"

[–]itsashotinthedark 1 point2 points ago

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Real life ugly guy here. Not UK though sorry. All I've got to say is there is no way to not know if you are ugly.

[–]bbcemma[S] 0 points1 point ago

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So you're saying if you're ugly, you'll know it? Do you think you'll know this because you've judged yourself, or because other people have judged you and told you that you're ugly?

[–]itsashotinthedark 0 points1 point ago

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Both. It's getting close to the end of 2011- everyone has a mirror or access to one. We've all seen ourselves in the mirror. We all go to or have gone to schools where we can see a varying range of attractiveness.

[–]JSmith666 1 point2 points ago

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i will say what is considered beautiful varies from person to person. however people will always favor those THEY find attractive and as much as people will shy away from admitting it looks do play a heavy role in relationships. a perfect example will be yourself. your a good looking person. i know nothing about your personality yet i would still consider asking you out.

[–]bbcemma[S] 0 points1 point ago

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That's definitely something to consider - that the preferential treatment varies from person to person. Thanks for the comment!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Did anyone else read the title as "Big Black Cock Question"? I was kinda reluctant to click on this one :\

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Hope you are glad it wasn't. Do you have anything to add on whether our society is lookist or not, and who is to blame?

[–]sickbiancab 0 points1 point ago

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I turned 30 a couple months ago. While I know this in no way signifies the end of my life or anything, as a female I'm trying to deal (in my mind) with the fact that I'm no longer a "cute young girl." it's not like I'm feeling as if my life has no purpose anymore, but it feels different being older and more mature in my appearance and I am no longer judged solely on my looks---or at least not positively anymore, I guess. It's a weird thing. Wait till youre 30!

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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That is something we haven't considered. We've looked at the significance in general, but not how age can affect it. Thanks for the comment!

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[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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That's code for "Ugly as sin" right? Do you think people should care more about personality than looks?

[–]bloopee 0 points1 point ago

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You are pretty. Maybe moreso because you're happiness and energy show through your pictures.

People like pretty people. If people are with pretty people, they are expressing to other people, "HEY I am pretty enough to be around pretty people such as this!" Or "HEY, I may not be as good looking, but I have worth in other valuable areas to be associated with this pretty person!"

And on the inverse, if you are considered pretty, people who are also pretty or have worth (which is a variable and subjective term [like artists? Leaders? Smart people? etc]) will want to be around you.

That is how physical appearance plays in to "discrimination" or at least how groups use preferential treatment in regards to "attractive" people and not as attractive people

[–]bbcemma[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Do you think maybe it's hard for pretty people to have friends who just hang around because they are pretty? Thanks for the comment!

[–]bloopee 0 points1 point ago

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I don't know from experience, because I wouldn't consider myself good looking, but I bet really pretty people find it comfortable but unrewarding to be surrounded by people who hang with them but not because of their (subjective) self-worth. But this is all guessing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You're pretty cute (the good cute mind you)..especially in the last picture

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you for the comment! Do you have anything to add about society being lookist?

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Yeah sure. Pretty much most of my life ive been judged by my looks. I'm a pretty short guy, and my height has often played a role in how well (or poorly) I do in the dating world. It definitely sucks, because no matter what I do, I can't really change how tall I am. Looks are generally gaining more and more importance these days which is a sad thing in my opinion. Although personal upkeep and grooming are all important things, I do feel like some people (including myself) are being pushed to the side lines because we may not fit the societal definition of attractive. I know for myself its been pretty hard because most women I've been attracted to wanted the guy they invisioned, who towered over them in height and such. So yeah, thats all i really have to say about that lol. I have a thread of my own here that you can check out if you want here. Again though, in terms of yourself, you're actually very attractive to me...and I'd be pretty proud of myself if I had someone who looked like you as a girlfriend

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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One of the most obviously examples of lookism in society, when not looking at beautiful people being more successful etc, is how we choose our partners, and just as women don't like short guys, men don't like tall women. It's interesting that you note that some people who don't match up with society's definition of attractiveness are suffering as a result, when it might not be their fault, like if they are short like you. Thanks for the comment!

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no problem. Personally though, I dont mind dating a woman who is taller than i am

[–]conrad141 0 points1 point ago

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You are very beautiful. I think the shape of your face would be complemented by short hair, so maybe look into that.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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My hair grows so slowly I would not dare risk it! But thank you for the comment. Do you feel that judging people by their looks is part of human nature?

[–]conrad141 0 points1 point ago

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Yes. I find myself doing it all the time. It's natural to look for qualities that would produce health offspring. I like actually trying to tell people who are beautiful but think they aren't what they can to to look even better as who they are.

[–]njactor 0 points1 point ago

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Maybe I'm in the minority, but I like you better with longer hair. Either way, you're very pretty.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks for the comment. What do you think about lookism, and people being judged by their looks? Is it part of human nature? Does the media make it worse? Is it something we can change?

[–]njactor 0 points1 point ago

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On the basic level, we absolutely judge people by their looks. Someone may appear trustworthy to us or a person may look like that they are smart. As for attractiveness, humans like other animals, are always evaluating what member of the opposite sex would make a good mate. For a lioness, she will be looking for a mate who is strong and can protect her and provide for her and her cubs. On some level, humans do the same. But our choices for mates are more complicated because of our different needs and external influences. The media plays a role. But so do our relationships with our parents, family and friends. We are also more adaptable than animals. We also can work on aspects of our looks to make ourselves more attractive to a potential mate. Make up, fix our hair, dress in a complimentary way for example.

Also, personality enters into it, too. I'm far from the best looking guy in the world, but I've never been afraid to approach a girl no matter if her looks are "out of my league." Confidence goes a long way. I'm also fairly intelligent and funny (can't you tell from how you keep giggling while you read this?)

Humans are complicated animals who develop into who we are because of myriad internal (biological) and external (sociological) influences.

Hope my opinion helps. What do you think? Or, do you need to refrain from commenting to avoid influencing others?

If you're ever across the pond hit me up.

[–]njactor 0 points1 point ago

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And, just thought of this as. Humans also don't simply rate potential mates on looks. Money has replaced the ability to hunt as a motivating factor. Think of how many beautiful woman you see with much older wealthy men.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Humans are certainly very complicated, and as it would be impossible to do documentaries simply on how complicated we are, documentaries on aspects of us are easier to make. Thank you very much for your insight, I really appreciate it!

[–]BigDreZ28 0 points1 point ago

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I like you for the mere chance of you having a British accent. And then you look good too. Irresistible.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I have a pretty typical London accent. Not Eastenders accent. Just normal. Do you want to add anything about being judged on looks?

[–]BigDreZ28 0 points1 point ago

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any accent from your country is amazing.

I judge women on looks 24/7...enjoyable pass time for me. I don't know how I am judged much since I don't actively pursue women right now. Can't be bothered. My Mum however says I have "movie star" looks. Doubtful.

[–]gregbo 0 points1 point ago

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I'm from the US. Yes, you're super cute. Yes, I would love to hear you speak! Can't really add anything about lookism from an ugly/pretty point of view, but could add stuff about reactions/first impressions based on race.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks. Yes, please do add stuff about reactions & first impressions based on race! (as long as it is not going to be racist, but there's certainly cross-cultural aspects to be looked at)

[–]SpikedYum 0 points1 point ago

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I would say 7/10 You look great!

[–]processcrash 0 points1 point ago

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Just wanted to say that you look perfect!

[–]bporter84 0 points1 point ago

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Tell the BBC bporter84 said he would smash

[–]bigbadbyte -1 points0 points ago

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*The bigbadbyte bang-o-meter *

Rank Evaluation
0 Last two people on Earth? So long human race
1 If it was for charity or to cure a disease
2 If I was drunk or horny
3 Sure, why not
4 I'd go out of my way
5 I can't believe you'd let me

You look best in the 1st photo. I think in the last one you look kind of mean.

As for your BBC thing, I'm sorry that a man as classically good looking as this can't be of more help.

[–]bbcemma[S] 2 points3 points ago

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:D thank you for the comment!

[–]emity -2 points-1 points ago

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Any anthropologist will tell you how and why good looking people have it easier in life. It's not even worth discussing anymore, it's just a given.

Thats why I tend not to be interested in beautiful people. More often than not they've had it easy, don't know how hard it is to get by on brains alone, and haven't got the strength to walk talk through hard times in life. Do a show on that :-P how our predilection for good looking people turned humankind into a sludge of entitled, lazy, snivelling pretty people.

[–]joke-away 0 points1 point ago

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I'd watch that.

[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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We are trying to look into whether "beautiful" people have a hard time too, and we will certainly take your point into consideration. Thanks!

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[–]bbcemma[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Do you think people judge solely on looks in relation to sex? How do you think that affects people who might not be as attractive?