[Official Vote Thread] Establish a Schedule for Official SFWPorn Network Vote Threads

HandicapperGeneral · 3 months

most vote threads become discussion threads anyway, and that's not a bad thing. The current vote system works fine, and trying to add this needless regimenting is only going to make it more difficult to get anything done.

greatyellowshark · 3 months

But on the condition that no discussion be allowed in voting threads. If it's not a simple yes, no, or abstain the purpose of creating a discussion thread would be defeated.

SaltyChristian · 3 months

if greatyellowshark's idea is voted on afterwards.

But on the condition that no discussion be allowed in voting threads. If it's not a simple yes, no, or abstain the purpose of creating a discussion thread would be defeated.

saldejums · 3 months

I like the way it is now. We already have enough of things to do.

Signe · 3 months

Shouldn't you have created a discussion thread about this vote before making the vote? ;)

syncretic · 3 months

subtextual · 3 months

Except that (a) I agree with greatyellowshark re. no discussions in the vote threads, and (b) do we need an entire week?

Antije · 3 months

with what greatyellowshark said.

But on the condition that no discussion be allowed in voting threads. If it's not a simple yes, no, or abstain the purpose of creating a discussion thread would be defeated.

TheLegitMidgit · 3 months

EDIT: EDIT:

catmoon · 3 months

That would just make every decision take longer. Also, like several others have noted, every vote thread invariably becomes a discussion.

OverlordXenu · 3 months

. I don't honestly know whether this will be a good or bad thing. I feel like, for some issues, the discussion threads could last for waaayyy too long, and for others it might not be enough time.

Jaraxo · 3 months

UPDATE Considering different arguments, will update for yes or no shortly.

It's creating bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot discuss things in the vote thread. See the previous vote thread on this discussion that failed for plenty of reasons why not.

Syncretic argued:

these debates tend to play out in the vote thread anyway. I usually only use brainstorming threads when I don't have a concrete idea of how to go about something, but I know what I want the end goal to be. In that case, a brainstorming thread is useful to hammer out the details. However, most vote threads are cut & dry yes/no votes and I feel that a brainstorming thread for every one would just waste everyone's time.

A very valid point and one he seems to have now forgotten.

Please read this comment thread from the last vote on this exact issue, as to why this shouldn't be passed this time around.

edit: If this passes, what will be the rules regarding how a vote thread comes about. Say consensus dictates modifications to the vote and its implications, how will it be decided what to include in the actual vote thread. This is a pretty big hole.

edit 2: This change really is pointless. There's absolutely nothing stopping discussion continuing in the current vote threads. Some argue that having the discussion at the same time as the vote doesn't allow people to make a decision before they vote. I call bullshit. Anyone can change their vote in a matter of seconds at any time before the vote closes. This gives people plenty of time to discuss the vote...7 days to be precise. On a similar vein, look at who is active in discussions. It's the same 7 or so mods, every time, the same people on IRC and discussing it in the vote thread. All this will succeed in doing is moving their discussion from one thread to another. No offence to the other mods, but the majority just vote, and don't take part in discussion, and rarely edit their votes. If they're not paying attention to debate right under their nose now, what makes you think they're going to when it's in a whole other thread?

TheRedditPope · 3 months

canipaybycheck · 3 months

Wordslinger1919 · 3 months

I agree with what HandicapperGeneral said. It's bureaucracy that isn't completely necessary.

Signe · 3 months

Addendum: If the discussion thread consists of everyone saying "no argument", we skip it. :p (Seriously, though, there's no reason to wait a week if nobody is trying to sway opinion.)

soupyhands · 3 months

EDITED RESPONSE

I oppose this rule based on the following reasons:

1. I feel discussion in the vote thread is healthy and does no damage to the final tally.

2. If this vote passes and outlawing discussion in the vote thread passes, how exactly will that be policed. Sounds like an effort to silence dissent.

3. Pornoverlords is a mess of submissions already, adding more discussion threads will only make it worse.

4. No one has ever drafted a master list of rules, there is already a ton of subjective approvals and removals occuring and no one is policing that.

5. Discussion and argument is healthy, we need this in order to avoid becoming the circlejerk we are heading towards.

6. What is a new rule is discussed in IRC on a Tuesday? Do we have to wait until the next monday to put up a discussion thread?

Additional reasons for voting no can be found here which is the thread which previously discussed implementing this policy.

soupyhands · 3 months

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jaxspider · 3 months

MichaelC2585 · 3 months

It would get all of the debating out of the way for a nice, well thought through vote thread.

Reactions · 3 months

As long as the discussion time is long enough I don't feel this is a bad idea.

marquis_of_chaos · 3 months

It might be an idea to add a minimum quorum clause to any vote, say 50% of mods must vote to pass a new rule (unless our dear leader issues an edict).

soupyhands · 3 months

LOL sure funny how views change. Remember when this was my idea?

kjoneslol · 3 months

1. I feel discussion in the vote thread is healthy and does no damage to the final tally.

2. If this vote passes and outlawing discussion in the vote thread passes, how exactly will that be policed. Sounds like an effort to silence dissent.

3. Pornoverlords is a mess of submissions already, adding more discussion threads will only make it worse.

4. No one has ever drafted a master list of rules, there is already a ton of subjective approvals and removals occuring and no one is policing that.

5. Discussion and argument is healthy, we need this in order to avoid becoming the circlejerk we are heading towards.

6. What is a new rule is discussed in IRC on a Tuesday? Do we have to wait until the next monday to put up a discussion thread?

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