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Why does Argentina care so much about the Falklands? (self.AskHistorians)
submitted 3 months ago by Grinys
I remember reading somewhere that when the British took it, no Argentinians were even living there.
[–]magnusvermagnusson 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago
More recently, oil has possible been found in the waters surrounding the islands. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2090575/Argentinas-Falkland-Islands-Its-oil-it.html
[–]danieliableLatin American -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 months ago
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[–]spedmonkey20th Century American Warfare 14 points15 points16 points 3 months ago
I'm not an expert on the whole history of the claim, but the Falklands War in 1982 was essentially a crisis drummed up by the military junta leading Argentina at the time to distract the Argentine people from the terrible job they were doing running the country. They didn't expect the UK to actually bother defending what amounted to a few small rocks in the middle of the ocean, and thought that by appealing to the patriotic side of the population, they'd regain popularity. If there is any current animosity remaining, I believe that it is mostly vestigial leftovers from the war. Whether popular opinion in Argentina toward the islands was as strong before 1982, however, I don't know.
[–]MyDogTheGod 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago
The Falklands War was perhaps the only thing that Thatcher did that I am glad of. She humiliated the junta, which led to the military dictatorship failing shortly afterward.
Videla, Rega, Galtieri—rot in hell.
¡Viva Alfonsín!
[–]tobigibson616 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
The Argentines have Britain to thank for they're democracy? Yes my man perfection!
[–]MyDogTheGod 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
I think in part Thatcher did help to restore democracy. The junta was on its way out already, but the humiliation of the British victory really spurned on the change.
[–]BernarditoModern Guerrilla | Counterinsurgency 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago
Las islas Malvinas has always been considered to belong to Argentina, despite the fact that there are no actual Argentinians living on it. See it as a question of nationalism (particularly put forward in force by the dictatorship in Argentina and Leopaldo Galtieri, dictator and general of Argentina in 1982).
The newly independent Argentina took the islands in possession 1820. By that time, there was no one living on it. However, in 1833 the Argentinians were driven away from the islands by the British ship HMS Clio who proceeded to colonize it.
However, the overall dispute over the islands had been very active during the 18th century between the British, Spanish and French. The British named the islands after lord Falkland in 1690 while the French called it Iles Malouines which was a reference to the first French ship that arrived at the Falklands Island's home port of Saint-Malo. The Spanish then took that name and turned it into las islas Malvinas.
[–]ryth 11 points12 points13 points 3 months ago
Just to clarify, you should make the distinction that it has always been considered an Argentine possession by Argentina. Their claim is certainly not casually recognized. The British would argue, with some weight, that it has been a British possession since the 18th century .
Also remember that Britain, despite it's well documented claims to the territory, offered to submit to binding arbitration by the UN in the 1950s and Argentina refused.
[–]Grinys[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
I didn't know that a British ship drove them off. Thank you for the information.
So the Argentinians just want the islands even though the islanders are British and want to be a part of the UK because of nationalism created by their rulers.
[–]loveandpoliticsPhilosophy | Dutch History 17 points18 points19 points 3 months ago
Not entirely. Britain and Argentina both have legitimate, competing claims to the island. Ideally, this kind of thing should be solved through diplomacy. That's where nationalism comes in.
However, not being an expert in international law, I would venture the British claim is the stronger one, on the basis that the islanders prefer it that way. I think the islander's right to self-determination trumps any Argentine claim, but that is just my opinion.
[–]spedmonkey20th Century American Warfare 15 points16 points17 points 3 months ago
This is correct. If I recall correctly, at some point in the post-war period (the '50s or '60s?) the British let the UN conduct a self-determination ballot in the islands. The residents there overwhelmingly voted to remain a British protectorate, and so they remained.
[–]toxicbrew 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago
Same with Gibraltar (98% in favor of staying British), but Spain still bitches.
[–]tungata -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 months ago
no es correcto, habiendo sidos expulsados los argentinos de las islas, no hay libre determinación (soy argentino)
They weren't Argentinians they were Spanish, Argentina didn't exist! and don't try to hide you're argument so no one can argue back by not writing it in English, we all know how to use google translate.
[–]marquis_of_chaos 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Wikipedia has a good shortened version of the history of the islands and the various claims to sovereignty. I've cut and pasted the bulk of the history below.
There is controversy as to who was first to discover the Falkland Islands, with competing Portuguese, Spanish and British claims in the 16th century. The first reliable sighting is usually attributed to the Dutch explorer Sebald de Weert in 1600, who named the archipelago the Sebald Islands, a name they bore on Dutch maps into the 19th century.
In 1690, Captain John Strong of the Welfare en route to Puerto Deseado was driven off course and reached the Falkland Islands instead, landing at Bold Cove. Sailing between the two principal islands he called the passage "Falkland Channel" (now Falkland Sound), after Anthony Cary, 5th Viscount Falkland, who as Commissioner of the Admiralty had financed the expedition.
In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland. In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766. Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III. Spain acquired the French colony in 1767 and placed it under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. In 1770, Spain attacked Port Egmont and expelled the British presence, bringing the two countries to the brink of war. War was avoided by a peace treaty and the British return to Port Egmont.
In 1774, economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War forced Great Britain to withdraw from many overseas settlements. Upon withdrawal the British left behind a plaque asserting her continued claim. Spain maintained its governor until 1806 who, on his departure, left behind a plaque asserting Spanish claims. The remaining settlers were withdrawn by the United Provinces of the River Plate in 1811.
In 1820, storm damage forced the privateer Heroína to take shelter in the islands. Her captain David Jewett raised the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate and read a proclamation claiming the islands. This became public knowledge in Buenos Aires nearly a year later following the publication of the proclamation in the Salem Gazette. After several abortive attempts, Luis Vernet established a settlement in 1828 after seeking authorisation from both British and Argentine authorities.
A dispute over fishing and hunting rights resulted in a raid by the US warship USS Lexington in 1831. The log of the Lexington reports only the destruction of arms and a powder store, though in his claim against the US Government for compensation (rejected by the US Government of President Cleveland in 1885) Vernet stated that the settlement was destroyed. The Islands were declared free from all government, the seven senior members of the settlement were arrested for piracy and taken to Montevideo, where they were released without charge.
In November 1832, Argentina sent Commander Mestivier as an interim commander to found a penal settlement, but he was killed in a mutiny after 4 days. The following January, British forces returned and requested the Argentine garrison leave. Don Pinedo, captain of the ARA Sarandi and senior officer present, protested but ultimately complied. Vernet's settlement continued, with the Irishman William Dickson tasked with raising the British flag for passing ships. Vernet's deputy, Matthew Brisbane, returned and was encouraged by the British to continue with the enterprise. The settlement continued until August 1833, when the leaders were killed in the so-called Gaucho murders. Subsequently, from 1834 the islands were governed as a naval station until 1840 when the British Government decided to establish a permanent colony
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