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[–]ahorsenamedrex 5 points6 points ago

There are a lot of people who do go out at random times and act in this way, they get labelled as yahoos or terrorists. The RBC bombing in Ottawa comes to mind. Same with all the actions taken outside a movement. Even if you relate them back it doesn't change the public perception. Hooded, masked or not, during a march or in the middle of the night, people don't see a difference.

[–]ASFDOKJOI3123 4 points5 points ago*

I hope you are behind seven proxies.
And yes, I feel the same way.
Edit: Previous post I've made on the issue.

[–]Politus 3 points4 points ago

The problem with Black Bloc actions is that they aren't Spartan enough, so to speak - they're often largely unidirectional, undisciplined bursts of anti-establishment fervor. Whether this means bricking small business or large banks, they're often little more than pretty fireworks with little lasting effect. They're vandalism, not actual insurgency. The fact that the energy tends to be ill-utilized means that instead of striking a blow to the foundations of whatever institution one intends to strike, the tactic tends to flail around randomly. As an analogy, compare an unshaped charge to a shaped charge.

Spartans were about more than just standing in a line bashing the enemy with spears until they routed; Beyond tactics, in the abstract sense, Spartan military success was largely due to discipline, which is something that Black Bloc actions lack. Anyone can stand in a line - but not everyone can act as a cohesive, disciplined unit that trusts the people to the left and right not to fuck up, without letting the euphoria of battle get in the way of getting the job done. Combine Spartan discipline with the sort of clandestine "be like water" operations that characterize guerrilla warfare, and you've got a recipe for success - or at least, as much success as one would expect from an Anarchist insurgency.

[–]osoma 2 points3 points ago

Thanks for making this post. I think this kind of critique is invaluable to the progress of the global anarchist movement. Bruce Lee hit the nail on the head with his "be like water" statement. A fluid and dynamic anarchist movement would be a serious threat to the established order. If we allow history to dictate our methodology we will undoubtedly lose the battle for the future. However, I can personally say that my encounter with black bloc tactics is one of the main reasons I consider myself an anarchist today. It wasn't the property destruction in itself so much as the open and active resistance in the face of the obnoxious police state that inspired me to look into the anarchist ideology. I wholeheartedly support a diversity of tactics but I also feel like using the same tactics and expecting different results is an exercise in futility. I think Saul Alinsky made a good point when he said that radicals have many good ideas about what the problems are, while we simultaneously don't fully understand how to go about achieving real political change. Revolutionary violence/destruction should be a tool in our belt but it shouldn't be the only weapon in our arsenal, nor should it the one we expect will achieve any real benefits besides maybe converting people who are already likely to sympathize with anarchist ideals. I really wish there was a coherent global anarchist party. I don't support the idea of a vanguard party but I do think that having a legitimate platform through which we could spread our ideas would be a great benefit to the movement in the long run. After all, ideas are bulletproof, and they can't imprison our ideas. All power to the anarchist imagination!

[–]briesa37 4 points5 points ago*

Clandestine actions have their place, but are 1) less visible and, as such, 2) less likely to be as inspiring or contagious as open defiance. If the only goal is property destroyed or economic damage inflicted on a target, a hurricane is way more effective than a black bloc and no more or less likely to end capitalism. The goal must be the creation and growth of cultures of resistance. We are winning when more and more people are inspired to withdraw their participation and actively revolt.

And whenever people talk about militant actions alienating "ordinary" people, they mean the same "ordinary" people that politicians talk about: white, middle-class people invested in maintaining capitalism. If we limit our tactics to only those that white middle-class liberals will find acceptable, we've already lost.

[–]anonnom 0 points1 point ago

I'm actually writing an article on this subject. I'll post it soon. The movement must evolve and divide so a diversity of tactics doesnt destroy our momentum as we see it doing already