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[–]briesa37 9 points10 points ago

It's partially American fear-conditioning to protect against subversive ideas, but it's mostly about ideology. Nobody likes it when you preach at them or try to convert them, regardless of what you're talking about. When the conversation is about "anarchism" it becomes a debate about the merits or shortcomings of anarchism as an abstract concept. It ceases to be about actual humans and their desires. The discussion almost inevitably deteriorates into an argument about hypothetical examples and counter-examples about why it would or wouldn't "work."

Instead, I've found that much more pleasant and effective communication comes from a genuine dialog - a mutual sharing of feelings and ideas - about the things we both care about. Nobody likes being told what to do. Whether or not you call that instinctive, human rebellion against authority anarchism or not is irrelevant.

[–]azripah[S] 1 point2 points ago

It's not trying to "convert", just speaking about it: for instance, someone asking "What are your political/economic beliefs?", then possibly getting into a debate.

[–]ruminating 4 points5 points ago

I usually try to leave isms out of it. What's in a name? Usually quite a bit, and if it is complex enough it may not mean the same thing for both people and cause confusion. Better to describe exactly what you mean in many words, never expecting to actually use the word anarchism. Let them give that name to what you are describing, rather than yourself.

[–]dhruvfire 1 point2 points ago

I tend to use the words "free," "freedom," and "open" a lot when I describe my views, because while those are very accurate words to describe my anarchism, they're also words that are not conditioned against- quite the opposite, in America.

[–]RosieLalala 4 points5 points ago

Another kill-word is "Feminism" - it's been vilified as being purely rad-fem.

I do not mention being anarchist IRL. My dad (himself an anarchist) taught me that. He said that it could get him (or me) into trouble if it was brought up. I will say that I lean NDP (left of liberal, not quite socialist) though.

I find that this is a good challenge on how to talk about my politics - do it and avoid the kill-switch words (it's possible). You'll expand your vocabulary and you'll expand minds because people are actually listening as their trigger word hasn't come up.

[–]must_bark 2 points3 points ago

It's the same in Sweden. As soon as I mention anarchism or communism it's like "But what about the Soviet Union?!" or "What, you don't think we should have any laws?" and shit like that... But these pricks are allowed to talk about their ideologies all the time.

[–]wbhyatt 0 points1 point ago

It's America, what can you say... haha. The media's put it into their mind that communism means full govenrment running everyones life, socialism means almost full government running everyone's life, and anarchism is violence.. smh

[–]ItAteEverybody 1 point2 points ago

I think the problem is that the statist assumption gets tacked onto any form of belief uncritically. Being governed is a given. So, for many of my fellow Americans, the only possible form of communism is state communism.

[–]must_bark 1 point2 points ago

It's not just America, it's mostly the same in Sweden... Might be that we are a bit more open but I always get to hear phrases like "Don't you think we should have laws?" or something about the Soviet Union.

[–]laduke13 0 points1 point ago

Anything critical of technology