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[–]rz2000 13 points14 points ago

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Kylearn, here posted an excellent response the last time this speech was posted.

[–]JustAnotherAlien 2 points3 points ago

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I agree with the fact that a lot of things described by Erica change when you're in grad school... On the other way, with this system, people able to join a graduate school are the ones that conformed the system during years, and i notice that everyday with peer lacking of creativity, curiosity... but able to quote a whole conference.

[–]charters14 1 point2 points ago

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Kylearn just got an instant karma boost from you. By the time I read the comment it had doubled. That is quite amazing for being posted 15 days ago.

[–]rz2000 4 points5 points ago

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Good, I thought it was a really good response. I wouldn't characterize the graduation speech as bullshit or say that the speaker lacked earnestness. However, I do think that it was a product of a specific time in life.

I hope that the speaker goes to a college with a true intellectual environment where people really are passionate about ideas. There is a lot of focus even in many excellent high schools in somehow gaming the system to get to the next level more than embracing the content as interesting. Ideally, students still build their minds as a side effect.

I am not sure how good the growth in number of AP classes is. They personally gave me a couple years of credits that allowed me to skip a lot of remedial prerequisite classes in subjects that interested me. (This was mid-90s and they probably wouldn't translate to as many credits today at most schools.) However, I have heard about the large number of electives in interesting subjects that there used to be, before AP classes crowded them out. I had excellent teachers in small classes in high school, and I think I missed out by taking classes with the more prescriptive curricula that AP classes have. Having a standard test for something other than a trade certification (eg. bar, medical boards, series 7, CFA, etc.) after a certain level seems a bit backward.

[–]manixrock 6 points7 points ago

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His argument seems to be that she's young and inexperienced, therefore she's wrong. Ad hominem much?

Perhaps it has been too long since he has gotten out of the "student" position, and has lost the perspective of the person who's opinion means nothing compared to a teacher's. He has moved into the teacher's position and is content with continuing the status quo, for it is now to his liking.

For me the memories of all levels of school are all to fresh. As an autodidact I was always set back, wasting hours learning useless facts when I wanted to learn advanced programming. I never learned anything in school beginning with high-school. Programming, english, philosophy, mathematics. What I know I mostly taught myself. The people in the schooling institutions are trying to herd a flock of sheep, and god forbid you should behave any other way. It is an industrialized factory for mass producing standard shells.

We don't need a talk on schools, we need a revolution.

[–]rz2000 9 points10 points ago

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I certainly respect autodidactism. However, progress comes out of interaction with people, and we stand on the shoulders of giants. Do you read what other people have done? Would asking them questions be fruitful? How about working with peers who had similar skills and aptitude as you, and pushing each other to new heights?

It was most certainly not a criticism of the speaker. Additionally, adding context to a speaker's words is not an ad hominen attack.

I encounter a lot of discussions on Reddit where people discount the value of a liberal arts education. It sounds like too many people have experiences with overly prescriptive courses, where they were not challenged to explore original thinking. School is an excellent environment for being to pushed to explore new ideas. Classes that try to replicate past successes or create a standard curriculum obviously undermine some of this. I think that anyone who thinks school is about learning facts has clearly been ill served in their own educational experiences.

[–]newfflews 1 point2 points ago

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I think his point was that for a lot of people that level of education is what will turn out to be most useful, and may be as much as some could reasonably be expected to achieve.

[–]TheAtomicMoose 2 points3 points ago

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We will break down the walls of corruption to let a garden of knowledge grow throughout America.

If I had to sit through her reciting this, I would have cringed throughout. She makes a couple of good points, but most of it is trying so damn hard to be inspirational.

[–]ukepriest 0 points1 point ago

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She overstates her point, but her central idea is correct: a very large portion of grades involves "playing the system." However, intelligence clearly makes it easier to earn great grades. But there's definitely something to sucking-up and diligently taking notes that has a strong influence on a person's grade.

[–]JustAnotherAlien -1 points0 points ago

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Well i want to marry her.

[–]blatsnorf -1 points0 points ago

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Nothing quite like ignorance and dogma... how completely ungrateful she is that she was afforded the education she received. Public schools aren't supposed to produce 100% Einsteins... it's to give students a chance. Was poor Erica expecting a handout and that she wouldn't have to put any skin in the game? And, because she's ungrateful, nobody else should have the opportunity?

Public schools allowed me to escape and to become a productive member of society... for that I am thankful.