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[–]kryptobs2000 7 points8 points ago* 

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Haha, I like the irony of the title. Who would be wrapping a mind around the ego? Not I :P.

So here's an attempt at explaining ego death a bit better:

In short, it's when 'You' die, your sense of self. It can be many things, think of life as a flux of all things in existence, when you have an intact ego 'you' (the 'self') will always have something to cling to, to attach yourself with, essentially a clear definition with the self.

When you have no ego you truly realize all the possibilities of pure existence, raw experience without any attachment, no limitations other than the ones you (your sense of self) sets upon you. To most people losing the ego tends to be associated with death, and so this term has taken on a religious tone, and rightly so as, afaik, that is the root of its origins; with eastern philosophy.

Dying (as in losing your ego) can feel like hell or it can feel like heaven, and the multitudes of experiences in between. 'You' have nothing to attach to and so you drift, you go with the flow of reality on its natural course, there is still a perception, there will always be a 'self' it's just no longer contained within the confounds of your physical body, your physical body extends the mind without limits, pervades everything; touching everyone, everything you see, you truly realize it is all 'you.'

Reality can best be understood when it's 'inside' your self, so don't separate it. 'Memory' is no longer contained within the brain, it's simply another expression of the mind; you'll find yourself answering every question you ask, it's as if another person is in the room, and in a sense one always is; it's you, you is not alone as long as it's got 'you' lol.

Now I'm either beginning to sound a bit insane, or at least bordering on religious which I was doing my best to avoid as it tends to put a haze over explanations, so I'll leave it here. If anyone has experienced this and gotten scared off, don't be, it's really nothing to be worried about. Good job for making it this far; experiencing what you have and still being. If something scares 'you' realize it's just an extension of you, now go kill it haha.

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[–]kryptobs2000 0 points1 point ago

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I can't give you an empirical reason not knowing you very well, *I've* observed it, it's quite obvious generally. Of course I wouldn't expect you to just take my word for it though, that thought alone may sound ridiculous to many, 'How could the self be outside of the body.'

And on that note, just a reminder we're talking about ego death here, not physical death of your body. When the ego dies the 'self' dies, you no longer have a true sense of self. That's not that you have a 'false sense of self' you just don't really attach to the idea of a self anymore.

Because we are human though the 'self' lives on through many things, conversation is a good example, can you imagine communicating without using the words 'I', 'You', 'myself' etc? It can be done, but it just makes things easier to know what is doing the action, and this we call a 'self'.

It's not always yourself, it may be his self, or her self, but there is still a self; too there are still concepts of life and death, they are thoughts nearly unavoidable, but 'you' no longer attach to them because there is no longer a 'you' to die, a 'you' to live, there's just you, just life, and just death.

[–]ChocoDoco 0 points1 point ago

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This is an odd start for non-religious people, but, please bare with me.

In the Bible Jesus is quoted as saying: "What has been born of the flesh is flesh. What has been born of the spirit is spirit."

Essentially every person is really two people. You are the flesh and the spirit. The spirit is your life which is energy. As science teaches us, energy never dies. Flesh does die as does everything on this earth. When one seeks happiness in earthly things and in the flesh, they are living through their ego. Once one understands the truth and nature of all things, they can then live in the spirit, the energy which never dies.

If you can separate the "religious" aspect from what I just said and use your logic to understand that would help.

When the afterlife is mentioned it is not as literal as religion has made it out to be. It's merely a matter of energy continuing, changing, passing through all things.

I hope that helps and makes sense : )

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[–]ChocoDoco 0 points1 point ago

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It wouldn't be such a bad idea to change the meaning. Change your mind. . . and change the world!

It's not an "afterlife" it is continuing life. It is all life. There is no separate "self". Life is life and it is in all of us and all things of this Universe. We get to experience it and see it while we are in human form. I didn't mean that energy contained a "life force". Life is energy, vibrations are energy, the ocean is energy, etc. There is also energy in your flesh that will be transformed into "worm food". Just like the flesh energy changes into something else, the essence of your life (the spirit) changes into something else. Nothing every goes away, it is just transformed into something new. Nothingness is an impossibility.

Again, taking the fable out of the religious text and trying to understand them intellectually helps. The point is no one knows how are why we are here and that really doesn't matter. The point is that we are here and we have to be happy. If a person's happiness only comes from the tangible, physical world (which is ever changing) aka ego, that person will always be unhappy.

Sorry I ramble:)

[–]brandnewset[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Roger that. Great explanation.

We are so indoctrinated with the self and the false ego unwillingly from birth via countless mechanisms. It takes stamina and persistence to strip away the ego and look at the true-ness of it all.

We are in space, on a rock togerther - so that counts for more than anything else towards oneness as a species and to further that, as a planetary being, of which we are cells, on the whole.

[–]visarga 6 points7 points ago

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It's a mess. I can't make heads and tails of it and I have experience with meditation, entheogens and cybernetics. This guy was going at it alone. Some feedback on organizing his thoughts would have been very good for him.

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cybernetics

How can you have experience with cybernetics?

[–]rnz 3 points4 points ago

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics#In_computer_science

Computer science directly applies the concepts of cybernetics to the control of devices and the analysis of information.

* Robotics
* Decision support system
* Cellular automaton
* Simulation

[–]foxfaction 2 points3 points ago

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Interesting, but poorly organized. It's not easy to get a feel for what he's talking about without committing to at least an hour of reading, which sucks. Also there's too many buzzwords in his writing making it difficult to decipher.

[–]brandnewset[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah - I have been working on it since yesterday morning. Still have about 20 tabs on the go... yikes.

The concept is what is interesting. Will post back the nitty gritty if I can make it to the end.

[–]visarga 1 point2 points ago

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Please give us the summary. What is his central idea? To use entheogens?

[–]brandnewset[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I believe to know where you are, and where you are going, you need to know where you came from. Its hard to find all this info as the victors write the history, but its there if you look hard enough. Definitely not the easy path!

The main article on the entheogen theory of religion isn't too bad to digest. Its a one pager.

Regardless of what is on this site - its time to ingest all perspectives and from all knowledge sources, so maybe we as a group can figure out where we are going, or should go. So basically, this is part of a lateral thinking exercise in which I do not discount any information due to my indoctrinated belief system (which affects my false ego), and accept and sponge up as much info as possible at the same time - from all sources. I figure if we can then mediate on it and sort out some new revelation that others have missed it will become part of the collective conscious of the planet and do us all some universal good.

It's all about the balance and the left brain world is leaving valuable teachings from the ancients in the dust.

TL:DR - The battle of the collective mind will be won by lateral thinking over direct frontal assaults - this way they don't see you coming.

[–]brandnewset[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Summary: Not to use enthogens for pleasure, but to connect to the true self sans ego - ie. ego death. This is what has been postulated and demonstrated by many if not all ancient cultures since the global collective conscious awoke to the global religions (at the same relative time, globally and independent of each other - whoa! That's actually what got me started looking into this).

We are stuck in the 3rd dimension in our false ego. The rest of the universe is there and entheogens are just one more tool (ie. meditation, running or w.h.y.) to get to that end.

Check out Kymatica (2009) on youtube vids (I posted it last week if you check my posts). I explains the false ego quite well. I had to watch it twice as my mind was trying to buck that info to protect my true consciousness. Anyway - as you can see, using English is not the best way to communicate this sort of thing as we just do not have the words. Its an individual journey for each self, but overall its a collective consciousness that's underneath it all imho.

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This concept sounds fascinating but I'm getting Zeitgeist-y vibes from Kymatica. Has anyone verified if it's based on credible sources before I invest an hour and a half into what could just be some new age 'What the Bleep Do We Know' kind of movie?

[–]brandnewset[S] 0 points1 point ago

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The last 30 min or so of this vid got me to thinking about this... again.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5407431706601832542#

Its the first version of kymatica - needs a lot of editing but has some different info as well on the self and the false ego. The last 30 min go into scientific studies on frequencies of the planet(s), specifically earth and fibonacci sequence that Telsa and since then others have identified as a resonant hum from the core of our planet.

Take what you want - its all about education.

[–]AndrewKemendo 0 points1 point ago

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to know where you are, and where you are going, you need to know where you came from

I cant recall how many times I have heard this. Yet, I have never once heard a good explanation of how it is justified as true. Care to offer an explanation?

It's a hokum statement in my opinion.

[–]brandnewset[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Think about it like this. If you just woke up and didn't know where you were - think major amnesia with all your senses and faculties - where would you start trying to figure things out? When I think about it like that its apparent to me that the objective study of human / natural / universal history would be a good place to start.

Occam's razor?

[–]gaso 1 point2 points ago

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You had me until

dependence of personal control on a hidden, separate thought-source, such as Necessity or a divine level that transcends Necessity.

I prefer when reality feels external and internal at the same time, and there is no separate thought-source...no invisible wall between me and the rest of creation/reality. Ideally.

[–]brandnewset[S] 0 points1 point ago

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We are all different perspectives on the same thing, so its just dialectics and reverence within right. Good point though - there's always a chance for a hiccucp... :

[–]adamwho 0 points1 point ago

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Bunch of new-age nonsense.

Mix some bastardized eastern religion with some sciency terms and you you have the makings a nice self-improvement scam.

Good thing you posted this so we can watch out for it in the future.

[–]darkon 0 points1 point ago

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I don't have to eat a whole apple to know it's rotten.

[–]deepthot42 -1 points0 points ago

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Salvia.

(Haven't done it myself, but I know people who have and I also speak hippy.)