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[–]jimmyslaysdragons 38 points39 points ago

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Alright, I'm an atheist, but I think we all know that these women are not representative of the overwhelming majority of religious people. If a mentally imbalanced atheist did the same thing because his daughter said she believed in God, we'd rightly be outraged to inevitably find someone pointing a finger and saying, "See, that's why we can't accept atheists in our society!"

All's I'm sayin' is maybe we can be better than that. Still a terrible story and a prime example of how religion can inspire pure malevolence in the weak-minded.

[–]Grus 6 points7 points ago

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I agree, it's the stalin argument in reverse.

[–]critdragon 1 point2 points ago

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yes but it was done in the name of religion, the reason for the crime was because the child did not say 'amen', he was starved for specifically religious reasons as he was 'possessed by a demon'. Though yes, it is clearly an extreme case, it is still possible to interpret the bible in a way which would let this be acceptable. Are they not taught about the sanctity of religion, taught about god's wrath and how he punished all those before him. About how the devil tries to control people and play tricks etc. Yes, this person was clearly a mistake, but i still believe a logical link could be found from the bible to the situation, with an atheist i do not believe somebody would state 'there is no god, therefore i must kill my children'.

[–]JimSFV 7 points8 points ago

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Not logical at all. Correlation does not equal causation. Case in point: You claim that an atheist would not kill his children in the name of "no god." That may be true but the argument by correlation has been made against atheists many times, citing Pol Pot, Stalin, and other presumed "atheists regimes." They make the same logical fallacy, saying Pol Pot was Atheist, and his world view led to the slaughter of millions--therefore atheism should be marginalized.

It was not the atheism that led to murder, it was the insanity. Likewise in this case, it was not the religion that led to murder, but the insanity.

[–]Pilebsa[S] -1 points0 points ago

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It was not the atheism that led to murder, it was the insanity. Likewise in this case, it was not the religion that led to murder, but the insanity.

The insanity is religion. Atheism is sane. Insanity is talking to imaginary invisible people. Insanity is believing people can rise from the dead. Go into any Christian church and ask people if they believe in those two things.

[–]sidewalkchalked 5 points6 points ago

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The insanity is religion. Atheism is sane.

My god you're such an ideologue. Within every "group" there are crazies. The fact that you identify so closely with Atheism and defend it as being the best way to live puts you about 80% down the road to what makes religious people a pain in the ass. Check yoself before you wreck yoself my brother.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Within every "group" there are crazies.

Comparing atheism to theism is a false equivalence.

There is no central doctrine to atheism. There is in most organized religion.

Christianity promotes irrational behavior. Atheism does not.

[–]visarga 3 points4 points ago* 

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The insanity is religion. Atheism is sane.

Grand generalizations. Science redefines itself every 50-100 years. What we are doing now is close to "magic" from the point of view of middle ages. Religion itself is very complex, ranging from Zen Buddhism to literalist Evangelical Christianity.

Insanity is talking to imaginary invisible people.

You twist and simplify reality. Humans have an innate need for meaning, purpose and mystery in life. We like to dream - we watch fictional movies, read fiction books, all these go in the same vein as religion - in that place where you need to fly and dream... You can't live a cold, logical life devoid of all emotion.

[–]sourkeys 0 points1 point ago

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No you cannot, but you can be tremendously picky. That place where you need to fly and dream can always be filled with many great things, but only with a religion will an individual be passively willing to invite not only great things, but morally unjust ideas at the same time. I'm not saying that without religion you cannot invite morally unjust ideas, but religion is the most common medium, if not the only one, that presents the intention of selfless good by invoking the selfish bad with the full intention of doing so in an honest self-rationalized way

[–]JimSFV 0 points1 point ago

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I don't disagree. But praying to an imaginary friend that you grew up being told to believe in is one thing. Starving a baby goes against some much deeper instincts.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I agree. I'm just saying there's a discernible cause-effect that can be traced to religion. I recognize there are a lot of non-confrontational atheists who don't want to illuminate the point very much, but it's still there. I'm not saying there wouldn't be crazy, sadistic people without religion either. I'm just saying religion makes it easy to justify sociopathic behavior, moreso than any other social construct I'm aware of (Nationalism comes in second and that's equally dogmatic behavior).

[–]Smellypuce 0 points1 point ago

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I find it odd that you don't take into account how much of an exceptional case this is. This woman wasn't just a follower of a traditional religion, she was part of a cult of sorts. You seem to leave out the fact that she did these things not so much in the name of God(not to exclude this, as her belief in God was certainly a huge factor) but because an authoritative figure told her to(Queen Antoinette). And the authority was strengthened by the fact that the other members of the house had no objection to it. Queen Antoinette used the woman's religious beliefs to manipulate her.

Of course, the mother is still reprehensible in my eyes but this behavior isn't typical of traditional religions. That's not to say that I think traditional religions are fine, I think we would be much better off if people rid themselves of those delusions entirely. But my point is, this is an exceptional case(as are others like it).

Edit: formatting

[–]Pilebsa[S] -1 points0 points ago* 

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I find it odd that you don't take into account how much of an exceptional case this is.

That's subjective depending upon ones perspective.

From one perspective, yes, it's exceptional (using starvation to kill someone in the name of religion), just like Jonestown was exceptional (religious people using cyanide to kill innocent people), as was Heaven's Gate (using vodka and phenobarbital to kill innocent people). So yea, they're all different. In each case, religious zealots used a different means to kill others. But from another perspective, there are many more common similarities between all these religious groups doing profoundly irrational and immoral acts exacerbated by superstition and peer pressure. I argue that if the act of believing in such superstition was more openly mocked and marginalized, it would be a good thing and potentially reduce the likelihood that as many people would be brainwashed by these cults.

This woman wasn't just a follower of a traditional religion, she was part of a cult of sorts.

No true Scotsman fallacy here. Every time one of these religious people does something horribly immoral, they are immediately separated from the herd and branded a "cult." Before then, there's little to no distinction. In the United States alone, there are more than 30,000 different major sects of Christianity alone. They're all "cults". They have many more similarities than differences, not the least of which is that they spend extraordinary amounts of time preparing for death and the afterlife.

Of course, the mother is still reprehensible in my eyes but this behavior isn't typical of traditional religions.

Maybe not literally, but figuratively it most certainly is. Go to a Catholic church on any Sunday and watch them talk about dying and being resurrected. Transubstantiation and drinking the literal blood of Jesus. There's a pretty fine line between the pantomime in church and reality, and these religious people for the most part claim to fully-believe in reincarnation and transubstantiation.

And when someone finally crosses the boundary and truly puts their actions where their faith and words have been, that's some kind of major faux pas? Only if everyone wants to come out of the closet and admit that religion is pantomime and has no truth, but that's not what they say.

For example:

Mark 16:17-18:

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

It clearly says in the bible that if you are a true believer, you can drink "deadly poison" and not be hurt.

So if someone acts on that is that considered un-christianlike, cultish, exceptional or insane?

And how many people believe the bible to be the word of god and truthful and divinely inspired? Or is it all just a dog and pony show, like pro wrestling that everybody, even the most devout are supposed to say is "real" when it's really fake?

My point is, it's either fake and everyone needs to admit it, or else what this woman did was perfectly in line with scripture and christian ideology. So why is it so inappropriate to marginalize the whole shebang?

[–]rodentdp -1 points0 points ago

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Frankly, neither Theism nor Atheism are particularly "sane" until somebody comes back from the void and tells us if there's a whole lot of nothing, or a whole lotta something. Until then, we're all just hedging our bets.

The insanity comes from mankind thinking they actually "know" the whims or desires of whatever god they bow to. I don't mind religious people, so long as they're sincere in their actions and not just being sadistic fucks using the veil of God to protect them, which so often seems to be the case.

A Clue: If Jehovah says "kill/torture/molest," he prolly ain't talking to you, sweetheart.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Frankly, neither Theism nor Atheism are particularly "sane" until somebody comes back from the void and tells us if there's a whole lot of nothing, or a whole lotta something. Until then, we're all just hedging our bets.

This is another false equivalence. Basing your beliefs and decisions on rational, testable evidence and experience is not as risky a "bet."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Uh...

puts knife away

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[–]jimmyslaysdragons -1 points0 points ago

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I think we're in agreement that these are very stupid women who tried to rationalize careless behavior using religion. But I think these are also the type of stupid women who would let their child die from a preventable disease because they heard Jenny McCarthy say that vaccines will give their baby autism.

Religion's not to blame here. It's stupidity.

[–]visarga -1 points0 points ago* 

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it is still possible to interpret the bible in a way which would let this be acceptable .... i still believe a logical link could be found from the bible to the situation...

What you are doing here is forcefully lumping together of many aspects of religion to fit your need for something to blame. The woman was a religious fundamentalist who read the bible literally - she didn't think any more. That's the cause, religion is a factor. She surely didn't apply all the writings in the bible to the letter or otherwise she would have had a little mercy and love for the child.

Would you say any Christian woman upon reading said passage would starve her child to death? If not, then there is no "logical link" to religion. And atheists do nasty things too, the history books and newspapers are filled with reports. So you can't oversimplify this to religion. I would chose mental imbalance and lack of empathy.

[–]AmIsGod 1 point2 points ago

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It can happen with or without religion. See: Caylee Anthony

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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If a mentally imbalanced atheist did the same thing because his daughter said she believed in God, we'd rightly be outraged

The difference is, there is no atheist bible that says murdering your only child is a way to show you're a good atheist.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago* 

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I think we all know that these women are not representative of the overwhelming majority of religious people

It depends upon your perspective.

I think I (as well as Sam Harris, Chris Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and others) could effectively argue that belief in any supernatural dogma, especially the judeo-christian versions is consistently responsible for unnecessary human suffering, throughout its history as well as right now in many places around the world. It might not always be so cut-and-dry like in this case, but this Sunday, some "good christian" is going to put money on a collection plate in a church, which will find its way into some payoff to keep a priest from being criminally-prosecuted for sexually abusing a child, or towards a campaign to lobby against human rights (for gays for example) or maybe to fund a campaign to spread misinformation in the third world over vaccines and condoms or global climate change, but it still hurts people and causes suffering. The moderate and liberal theists pretend they aren't part of the problem, but they are.

You can't compare theists to atheists. That's a false equivalence.

Atheists don't believe in a book that's divinely inspired that says true believers can heal the sick and prayer conquers all.

Apples and oranges.

[–]visarga 2 points3 points ago* 

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belief in any supernatural dogma, especially the judeo-christian versions is consistently responsible for unnecessary human suffering

The human drive for meaning, mystery and the sublime is a fundamental force of progress. While in intelligent people it manifests itself as a desire to gain knowledge (Einstein?) in lesser people it manifests as blind religiosity.

Religion is just the side effect of our emotional needs. If you eliminate religion as it is today, it will be replaced with other dogmas like the Nazi cult for the superiority of the arian man, the communist propaganda of selfless submission to the state for the greater good, the War on Whatever (drugs, terror, poverty, crime) etc. You can't have us all become Vulcan and embrace logic - it just doesn't happen here.

So please think of your affirmation in a larger context of what is possible and what is necessary for us, as human beings. I could say just as well that if we all had IQs over 120 (as compared to us today) there would be much less unnecessary human suffering.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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The human drive for meaning, mystery and the sublime is a fundamental force of progress. While in intelligent people it manifests itself as a desire to gain knowledge (Einstein?) in lesser people it manifests as blind religiosity.

That's pretty presumptuous. The acceptance of religion is a much more complex issue having to do with control and coercion as much as humans needing an explanation of meaning, not the least of which can be obtained from non-supernatural sources.

Religion is just the side effect of our emotional needs. If you eliminate religion as it is today, it will be replaced with other dogmas like the Nazi cult for the superiority of the arian man

The Nazis used Catholicism to promote their ideas. It wasn't mutually exclusive.

If your theory were really viable, then we should see a plethora of other irrational social constructs in places where secularism is popular, and we don't.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 26 points27 points ago

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My favorite part:

She pleaded guilty last year to child abuse resulting in death, agreeing to the deal only under the condition that if Javon is resurrected, the plea will be vacated. Prosecutors and a judge accepted that extraordinary condition, specifying that only a "Jesus-like resurrection" would suffice.

I'll agree to similar terms with any religious person out there. Until you demonstrate an unambiguous miracle, I reserve the right to consider you a complete loony toon.

[–]hsfrey 2 points3 points ago

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What's a "Jesus-like" resurrection?

A few unnamed people find an empty tomb, and he doesn't show up for 2000 years?

An "Elvis-like" resurrection is a lot more believable! Thousands claim to have seen him. And he's doing weddings in Vegas.

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[–]Pilebsa[S] 3 points4 points ago

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No it's not. Atheists do not have a singular source of doctrine to which they subscribe.

And even if they did, it probably wouldn't say something like this:

Matthew 21:22: "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive."

or

Luke 10:19: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

What these people did was in line with their own scripture. They believed in the power of prayer over material needs, as is indicated in scripture. When all atheists start holding such dogmatic and irrational views, then and only then can you say we're lacking logic and reason.

[–]mitchandre 0 points1 point ago* 

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Picking out one extreme and attributing it to the whole is not logical nor a reasoned response. My above comment was meant to subtly highlight that point but it seems to be lost on you. If all religious people started starving their children because they wouldn't say Amen then you have a point, until then you are cherry picking data.

[–]48VDC 1 point2 points ago

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Mentally unstable 'any-one' = lacking in logic, reason, and morality.

Point being, mentally unstable does not mean religious, atheist or theist. But being religious does mean not-rational.

[–]catlebrity 3 points4 points ago

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So does being in love, or being a particularly devoted sports fan. Big deal.

[–]mitchandre 1 point2 points ago

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Assuming all religious people are inherently not rational is a prejudice I do not share.

[–]halhen 6 points7 points ago

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You honestly believe that religious faith was the significant separating factor between this woman and every mother who would not starve her child?

If so, how do you explain that these stories are rare considering how many religious people there are, and how do you explain cases where non-religious people hurt and kill their children?

[–]Pilebsa[S] 2 points3 points ago* 

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You honestly believe that religious faith was the significant separating factor between this woman and every mother who would not starve her child?

No. Here's the best way to sum up my feelings on the matter. The woman was gullible, as is most people, but the institution of religion is well-ingrained into society and socially accepted. If it weren't, these offshoot cults wouldn't be so influential. Religion was the catalyst for the woman's insane behavior, but if you read the Bible, that kind of behavior is rewarded by the Christian god. Look at the story of Abraham, who heard a voice in his head telling him to murder his first born child? There's plenty of biblical precedent for what the woman did being a noble and godly act.

You cannot say this is just mental illness, and suggest it could happen to anyone just as easily. I strongly disagree. The stories in the bible, which is the best selling book of all time and which millions of people believe is "inerrant" and "the truth" and "the way" glorify scenarios where people prove their faith by murdering innocent men, women and children. IMO, If that horrible book wasn't so mainstream, it would be a lot less likely this kind of activity would happen. Yes, it would still happen, but the continued respect scripture earns in modern day society whitewashes the immorality that religious institutions promote.

[–]halhen -1 points0 points ago

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I'm not debating religion vs atheism. There may be many reasons to condemn religion, but this certainly is not one. This event is not representative for your claim on "religious people" which is enough to refute your argument. Still, I'll add two comments on your text and then continue to comment your conclusion.

Many things work as catalysts for crazy people. Claiming that this is religions fault is very close to the debate over violence in movies and video games where some claim that these cause children to fight and kill. There are many modern stories, both fictional and true, that are much more violent than the Bible. My view is that they may work as catalysts, but if it wasn't the bible or Saw, it would likely be literature, music, a dream or whatever else.

Sure, the Bible gives moral precedents. However there are many secular ones where the hero seeks revenge, kills others and himself for a higher cause. Surely, this would then make secular people kill? Regarding other moral teachings, although not as bad, we are most often taught to see the world in black and white, them vs us, good vs bad. This is one example of where Jesus opposed the current dogma for, what modern most of us would call, the better.

Further commenting your initial claim, can a minority really marginalize a majority? A big majority of people currently wandering the earth are religious. Even if religious people become a minority, what do you hope to accomplish by marginalizing them? Do you even consider it moral to marginalize people based on their beliefs, be it religious, political or about what sports team they root for?

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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There may be many reasons to condemn religion, but this certainly is not one.

Give me a reason then? I'd like to hear an example that is that dramatically different than this scenario and why?

[–]halhen 0 points1 point ago

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As I said, I'm not in this discussion to debate religion. I believe your claim is unjust and inhuman; this is what I argue against.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Don't make claims and then backpedal.

Why is marginalizing religion unjust and inhuman?

Was it "unjust" and "inhuman" to relegate Thor and Zeus to the realm of mythological fantasy?

[–]halhen 0 points1 point ago

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Backpedal from what?

I'll spell my arguments out again.

  • This is not a good example to state anything about religion. The event is rare and you need to search long and hard to find someone that approves of it. I'm not claiming "hate the game, not the player" since starving children for not saying "Amen" is not the game. This is the unjust part. (You may point to Abraham again - whom God according to the story stopped from killing Isaac btw - in which case I point to the many secular stories with moral precedents that involve war, revenge and killing.)
  • In your title you claim that religious people should be marginalized. I believe that not respecting a persons intrinsic value because of something he believes is wrong. This is the inhuman part.

Again, I have not spoken about religion but only your claim.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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This is not a good example to state anything about religion. The event is rare and you need to search long and hard to find someone that approves of it.

It is a good example, and the event is not rare. There are hundreds of examples of religious people doing inhumane things that often can be tied to their religious influences.

In your title you claim that religious people should be marginalized. I believe that not respecting a persons intrinsic value because of something he believes is wrong.

Respect is earned. I wouldn't marginalize people per se, as much as I'd recommend shaming religious people, in much the same way creationists or suicide-bombing Muslims are shamed in modern society. It's just another degree of the inevitable progress of humanity out of the dark ages of superstition.

[–]halhen 0 points1 point ago* 

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It is a good example, and the event is not rare. There are hundreds of examples of religious people doing inhumane things that often can be tied to their religious influences.

How can an example be good if it is not representative for what you are trying to show? How does "hundreds" or even thousands of examples tell the story of five billion when the four-point-nine-billion-something non-examples condemn these actions? These criminals have a more significant factor in common than religion: they are crazy (I here define crazy to exclude believing in superstition as you might respond to show rhetorical kung-fu, but instead include the capacity, drive and will to hurt others).

It is probably true that crazy people are drawn to religion and that the crazy / sane ratio is higher among those who are religious . This does not say anything about the overwhelming majority that believe that hurting others is wrong, often based on their religion. You're not making an honest argument when you try to equate crazy (excluding superstition) and religious.

Respect is earned. I wouldn't marginalize people per se, as much as I'd recommend shaming religious people, in much the same way creationists or suicide-bombing Muslims are shamed in modern society. It's just another degree of the inevitable progress of humanity out of the dark ages of superstition.

I wouldn't say creationists are shamed. When they try to push their beliefs, their pushing and their opinion is shamed. You don't need to respect a persons beliefs, but you should always respect the persons value. There is more to a creationist than believing in creation just as there is more to a religious person than being religious.

Suicide-bombing Muslims are criminals and should be treated as such.

Again, you may have good reasons to condemn religion, but loosing sight of the intrinsic value of other humans is the reason for all man-made misery in the world, whether in the name of religion or not.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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How can an example be good if it is not representative for what you are trying to show? How does "hundreds" or even thousands of examples tell the story of five billion when the four-point-nine-billion-something non-examples condemn these actions?

Let me ask you. What percentage of Toyotas have likely experienced the acceleration problem? So why would Toyota issue a recall when the number of problems "is not representative" of how many vehicles are out there?

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non-religious people hurt and kill their children?

raised by religious people.

[–]critdragon 9 points10 points ago

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it's been said before and i'll say it again; it's scary how close being religious is to being mentally insane

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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I'm an atheist, and I think that is highly inaccurate. This woman IS insane. There are plenty of religious people who would never do anything like this.

[–]EarPlugs 0 points1 point ago

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You are absolutely right.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I'm an atheist, and I think that is highly inaccurate. This woman IS insane. There are plenty of religious people who would never do anything like this.

Isn't it convenient. If you can watch the human suffering in real time, it's insanity. If you can convince yourself that the beliefs you hold aren't really hurting people, even if they are, then that's perfectly reasonable.

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I don't think believing that there is a god, or even that Jesus is the saviour of everyone is necessarily hurting anyone. It's when it causes neglect like this that makes it insanity.

[–]Pilebsa[S] -1 points0 points ago

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I don't think believing that there is a god, or even that Jesus is the saviour of everyone is necessarily hurting anyone.

Not directly, but you could say the same thing about Hitler. Thinking Hitler was a brilliant leader seems kind of benign on one hand, but the institution which he stands for, on a larger scale, has perpetrated a lot of immoral behavior over the years. The same can be said for Judeo-Christianity. You can compartmentalize that and claim you have nothing to do with it, but that could be arguable.

[–]critdragon -5 points-4 points ago* 

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(please read my reply comment reply to jimmyslaysdragons, thanks)

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(did alrady, you're welcome)

Edit: Your does not mean you're. How embarrassing!

[–]sidewalkchalked 3 points4 points ago

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/r/freethought != /r/atheism.

Without going into it, a lot of what is posted on /r/atheism is very childish. It is not revolutionary to point out the weaknesses of religion. The idea that religion can be detrimental has been around for hundreds of years. You are not some sort of revolutionary thinker just because you prefer the approach of Dawkins to that of your parents.

Every religious person is not evil or stupid or ignorant or deceived. You shit still stinks.

Please, please keep this bullshit off this subreddit or good people won't bother anymore.

[–]Manioti 1 point2 points ago

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Religions should be marginalized, not people.

[–]rodentdp 1 point2 points ago

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The problem with the evolutionary program that allowed men to trust in others for group survival is that it has led to some pretty ridiculous religious beliefs. Case in fucking point.

[–]eltonjock 1 point2 points ago

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My immediate question is how could a god let this happen? If there is one, fuck 'em. I want nothing to do with them.

[–]achilles 4 points5 points ago

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Yeah 'marginalizing' all religious people is going to help prevent stuff like this...all marginalization will do is make stuff like this more likely..

[–]Pilebsa[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah 'marginalizing' all religious people is going to help prevent stuff like this

It has proven to work.

Look at the statistics. There is an undeniable correlation between religiosity and poverty, oppression and lack of education. Or the opposite. The countries with the best standards of living are almost always the least religious.

[–]frantk 1 point2 points ago

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Your "undeniable correlation" is largely insignificant.

[–]Pilebsa[S] 0 points1 point ago

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There's plenty more evidence that supports a clear indication between religiosity and intolerance. The bible itself documents it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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umm I say eradicate...

I don't pull any punches.

It's that fucking important.

[–]summernot -1 points0 points ago

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umm I say eradicate...

reported

[–]sheerheartattack -1 points0 points ago

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That's kind of like saying that atheists should be marginalized because of the Soviet Union. Let's marginalize malice. Let's marginalize ignorance. However, let's not marginalize a group of people because of their association with a particular member of that group.

[–]Pilebsa[S] -1 points0 points ago

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That's kind of like saying that atheists should be marginalized because of the Soviet Union.

Bad analogy. What is with this profound lack of understanding of what atheism espouses? Atheists do not have an "institution" or "state". The soviet union was not "an atheist organization". Atheists have no doctrine or dogma that they tend to universally subscribe to.

[–]skopp -1 points0 points ago* 

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IMO, this is a sensationalist, bullshitty article and it has more to do with what uneducated people do than what religion tells you to do

Edit: since I got downvoted, I guess I should roleplay Captain Obvious and state that Christianity does not dictate that you should kill your kids for not saying amen. Uneducated and/or stupid people would be more likely to do that because they don't know better or they lack the capacity to grasp the logic (or lack thereof) of what they are doing.

A deficiency in general knowledge or having a low IQ (where IQ stands for the socially accepted scale for defining aptitude) would prompt one to be more susceptible to superstitious beliefs and actions that "normal" people would view as illogical.

In comparison, an atheistic person who lacks the propensity to behave in a normal (as in according to norm) or logical manner is just as likely to punish to death their child for saying amen although forbidden from doing so by such a parent.

I really did not have to write an essay to explain my comment here.

Edit 2: I'm not even Christian. I'm just being logical.